Essien Ita Essien escreveu: > Benoit Chesneau wrote: >> On Jun 2, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Leif Thande wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm writing to the list to inform you about the progress in the french >>> Arch community, or should I say, the total lack of progress. >>> >>> Since 4 days now, I'm trying to get both side to talk to each other. I >>> tried to schedule a discussion between both groups. I discussed with >>> the archlinuxfr.org side during an hour and a half just to try to >>> define the conditions of the discussion, to avoid it falling in a >>> round of insults that would lead nowhere. During all the conversation, >>> Benoit disagreed almost to every suggestion I made, arguing that if a >>> discussion was to take place, it would be following his rules. The >>> archlinux.fr asked that benoitc doesn't take part directly in the >>> discussion to avoid problems, which he never accepted. If you want to >>> make your own idea, you can read the whole log of the discussion here >>> (in french ) : >> >> That what we call negociating. And we were agree yesterday. So don't >> say there was >> no progress. You just decide to stop discussions. And I was waiting >> for a date. >> So YOU decided to stop. > /me comes out of under rock > > I call this guy a clown! He's spat in all our collective faces and we've > been like nice grown up adults and given him a long rope, but he does it > again and again, and again.. and again... now he's gone done it with > someone who was very patient. > >>> http://ourserver.homelinux.org/leif/% >>> 23archlinuxfr_2007-06-01_16h45.txt >>> >>> I then tried to get both side to set a day the discussion would take >>> place. An offer was made by both side for this weekend , now Benoit >>> just decided on an impulse that it isn't possible until next week. >> I always said it was only possible from saturday 9. 3 times, 3 mails. >> You didnd't understand. Not my fault. And where is exactly the problem >> by the way ? >> >>> I then went to talk to Benoit on IRC, and guess what, I got kicked of >>> the channel. > >> No. You were unpolite and take others for idiots. > > Hoho! There's the KING on his HIGH HORSE...bull!!! > > even though i wasn't there... i can imagine who was taking who for an > idiot. You have been calling ppl idiots on this mailing list, throws the > work "fuck" around as if we care... bull!!! this is outrageous and you > deserve no modicum of respect... no sir. You are clearly a one man show > and have said yourself that you can talk to ppl anyhow you may feel like > in public or private. > >>> This circus has lasted long enough. my patience has limits and it's >>> been reached. Benoit is making all he can to keep the process from >>> moving on. > > Benoit definitely doesn't want to move on maturedly, I say we move on > and leave the sour fellow behind... i've had it with cowards who hide > behind emails and call people names. If we had been having face to face > meetings in offices, I doubt that he would have the gall to call someone > like James an idiot to his face... sheesh!!! > > And btw, I actively suggest that if Benoit so much as calls anyone on > this list an idiot or stupid or throws any derivative of the word "fuck" > around this mailing list anymore, he should be banned like a regular bad > mannered kid. > >>> >>> Considering this, I'm not interested anymore in taking part in this >>> discussion. If someone is willing to give it a try, go for it, but be >>> sure to know there will be serious obstruction in your way. >>> >>> Also, I'm asking the Arch developers the two following things : >>> >>> 1) Add http://forums.archlinux.fr/ to the Non-English Forums list on >>> the archlinux.org website. > > FFIW I add my two kobo agreement to Leif's suggestion. > >>> 2) Ask Benoit to remove the the "official" mention on archlinux.org >>> since he is clearly not representing the majority of the french >>> community and he isn't doing anything to get along with whoever >>> contradicts him. > > Also add my two kobos worth vote here. > >> You are not the only one users. Many users use archlinuxfr.org. There >> was no >> community before I launched archlinuxfr.org. Just french users >> somewhere. >> So don't forget that this is the users that create a community no >> some leaders >> or such things > > *yawn* yada yada yada... move along... i'm tired of all this egostical > yapping. > >>> For my part, I'm joining archlinux.fr and encourage every french user >>> to join this website. If Benoit wants to manage his website like his >>> own toy, we can't keep him from doing it, but we can express that we >>> clearly disagree with the way he chose. > > definitely agree with my two kobo worth mettle. > >> You already did it from a long time. >> >>> I wish this would had brought a better outcome, but this is clearly >>> not possible for the reasons previously mentioned. >> Your choice not mine. > > You Benoit have to learn how to deal with people. I suggest you get a > Job in real life and try to talk to your bosses they way you've talked > to people on this mailing list, and see how long you would last. > > Its definitely our choice, but oh boy... did you drive us to make that > choice... nay... you pushed, prodded, pummeled, held a gun to our heads > until we made that choice... so you see... not our choice, but really > yours... go figure. > >>> Sincerely yours, >>> >>> >>> Leif Thande > > Thanks a lot Leif. You really gave it a good shot, but I guess some hard > nuts are just that... hard nuts... its not just the cold that makes them > hard. > > cheers, > Essien > > PS: /me crawls back under rock
Hi guys, I request that this discussion stops, i know i dont represent anything here, but i must confess that im tired of this thread. This is the main archlinux list, and this is usually the place that we discuss technical things and so on, and this is one of the main communication channels of archlinux and imho, this discussion already left the technical side and to be honest i cant stand it anymore. I can not believe how far this discussion is going. Cmon, guys ! Join the efforts to build a bigger archlinux french community. Arch is growing faster and we need to join efforts not to divide. Benoit, both sides may had it problems, but im sure you are able to understand that by keeping this behavior you tend to have more and more people to ignore you and all the work you have done. For sometime i talked in both french irc channels and in both channels people were very nice with me, so please, stop the fuzz and discuss focused in technical details of joining efforts, not in what happened in the past. I know we can move arch faster worldwide, but to accomplish this, we need to work together. Again, please stop the personal discussion. This is a technical list to promote arch and to help ourselves. I really would like to have an united french community, so please, solve this situation, but dont use this list for that. -- Douglas Soares de Andrade http://dsa.archlinux-br.org/blog Paradigma - http://www.paradigma.com.br _______________________________________________ arch mailing list [email protected] http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch
