+1 for graduation to a new TLP from me as well. Best regards,
David On 14 October 2010 09:06, Graham Charters <[email protected]> wrote: > +1 to graduation and a new TLP. > > From my experience, I think the incubation has been very successful. > I'm not aware of any real scope issue discussions beyond the initial > proposal, which I think is natural when folks are trying to get their > heads around/define something new. I think our focus has been > consistent around an Enterprise OSGi programming model and therefore a > new TLP based on this scope would be appropriate. > > > On 13 October 2010 17:03, Timothy Ward <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'm also +1 >> >> I think a new TLP seems like a good idea. Felix is already pretty big - I >> think it would be unmaintainably large if we added all of our components too >> - and I can't really see any other projects that would be a reasonable fit >> for what we've been developing. >> >> Regards, >> >> Tim >> >> ---------------------------------------- >>> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:41:17 +0100 >>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduation >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> First off I agree +1. >>> >>> Second of all I vote for a new TLP. I think if we move into an >>> existing project we risk making that other project an uber project. >>> Also I am not sure what other project we would move into. >>> >>> Third I am not sure what the issue really is around an uber project. >>> In any case we didn't argue for Clerezza to become part of aries when >>> it was proposed last year and that was very soon after we were >>> launched, so clearly those involved have an idea of scope. I'm not >>> sure we should remove the term "Enterprise" because we are aiming to >>> do things related to the OSGi Enterprise spec, so we need that to hook >>> in. However we clearly aren't insisting everything in the Enterprise >>> OSGi spec be done here as that would mean we would attempt to move or >>> implement DS, ConfigAdmin and many others which are already in felix. >>> >>> Alasdair >>> >>> On 13 October 2010 14:48, Jeremy Hughes wrote: >>> > There have been a few murmurings on the list about graduation. I >>> > thought I'd kick of a specific discussion around whether to graduate >>> > at all, whether to ask another TLP to take us, or go to a new TLP of >>> > our own. After discussion has been had, we'll vote on another thread. >>> > >>> > We've carried out 2 releases, added 6 committers. Our mailing lists >>> > have grown in popularity [1], and we have projects using our >>> > components: JBoss OSGi, Apache Geronimo, Apache Karaf. Equally we're >>> > using components from many other projects (as can be seen in our >>> > poms). We have some good information on our website, although >>> > naturally it can be improved. I think we're at a point where, with >>> > just a little work, we would be ready to achieve graduation from the >>> > Incubator. >>> > >>> > The graduation checklist according to the graduation guide [2] is: >>> > >>> > 1. Preparations >>> > * Complete (and sign off) tasks documented in the status file >>> > [most if not all of this is done, but the status page [3] isn't up to >>> > date - I'm going through this] >>> > >>> > * Demonstrate ability to create Apache releases >>> > [we've had two releases] >>> > >>> > * Demonstrate community readiness >>> > [we've recruited users, developers, committers and PMCers - see news >>> > section in the status. We've taken collective action and general >>> > achieved what is set out in the 'community readiness' section] >>> > >>> > * Ensure Mentors and IPMC have no remaining issues >>> > [the only remaining issue I'm aware of is the one highlighted in our >>> > section of the Incubator board report: "Address project scope concerns >>> > raised during acceptance vote". These concerns can be found here: >>> > >>> > 'But I expect the project to clarify its focus, and demonstrate >>> > collaboration with other Apache projects using OSGi during >>> > incubation.' (Bertrand Delacretaz) >>> > http://markmail.org/message/r6adtazpj66jppes >>> > >>> > 'If it IS a goal to become a large component registry for "anything >>> > OSGI enterprisey"' (Niclas Hedhman). >>> > http://markmail.org/message/wnbcwgu6mvli5icy >>> > >>> > 'From the get-go, this appears headed towards an umbrella project. >>> > Too many ways to justify "yeah, this belongs here" and far too >>> > few ways to justify "nope, this doesn't quite fit in". So >>> > whether TLP or part of Felix (as was the discussion), this appears >>> > too comprehensive.' (Jim Jagielski) >>> > http://markmail.org/thread/54b7ohg7cde5u5yt >>> > >>> > (have I missed any?) >>> > >>> > *If* we are to go to our own TLP then we would need a charter that >>> > satisfies these concerns. We set out to build the components to enable >>> > Enterprise Applications (by which I mean a la JEE but running in OSGi) >>> > which I think we have made great progress towards, as a community. I >>> > think we have demonstrated the scope of what we set out to achieve, we >>> > just need the words to describe it.] >>> > >>> > 2. Decide upon destination >>> > [Options are a new TLP or join an existing TLP. I, for one, would like >>> > to frame a charter for a new TLP that is focused enough to satisfy the >>> > concerns above. I think the word Enterprise has been contentious and >>> > we should either define what we mean by it (my preference) or choose >>> > another word.] >>> > >>> > 3. Prepare a resolution (top level candidates only). >>> > 4. Subproject acceptance VOTE by destination Project (subproject >>> > candidates only) >>> > 5. Incubator PMC (IPMC): >>> > * For top level candidates, this is a recommendation VOTE >>> > * For subproject candidates, this is a graduation approval VOTE >>> > So actually perhaps this isn't a Graduation discussion, but a >>> > Recommendation discussion :-) >>> > >>> > 6. Final hand-over >>> > 7. Consider post graduation tasks >>> > >>> > Please comment freely. >>> > >>> > [1] http://pulse.apache.org/#aries-dev_at_incubator.apache.org >>> > [2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html >>> > [3] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/aries.html >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Jeremy >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alasdair Nottingham >>> [email protected] >> >
