I think it is a +1, (Non-Binding) and congrats. On Oct 15, 2010, at 2:12 AM, Charles Moulliard wrote:
> On 14/10/10 10:06, Graham Charters wrote: >> +1 to graduation and a new TLP. >> >> From my experience, I think the incubation has been very successful. >> I'm not aware of any real scope issue discussions beyond the initial >> proposal, which I think is natural when folks are trying to get their >> heads around/define something new. I think our focus has been >> consistent around an Enterprise OSGi programming model and therefore a >> new TLP based on this scope would be appropriate. >> >> >> On 13 October 2010 17:03, Timothy Ward<[email protected]> wrote: >>> I'm also +1 >>> >>> I think a new TLP seems like a good idea. Felix is already pretty big - I >>> think it would be unmaintainably large if we added all of our components >>> too - and I can't really see any other projects that would be a reasonable >>> fit for what we've been developing. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:41:17 +0100 >>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduation >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> First off I agree +1. >>>> >>>> Second of all I vote for a new TLP. I think if we move into an >>>> existing project we risk making that other project an uber project. >>>> Also I am not sure what other project we would move into. >>>> >>>> Third I am not sure what the issue really is around an uber project. >>>> In any case we didn't argue for Clerezza to become part of aries when >>>> it was proposed last year and that was very soon after we were >>>> launched, so clearly those involved have an idea of scope. I'm not >>>> sure we should remove the term "Enterprise" because we are aiming to >>>> do things related to the OSGi Enterprise spec, so we need that to hook >>>> in. However we clearly aren't insisting everything in the Enterprise >>>> OSGi spec be done here as that would mean we would attempt to move or >>>> implement DS, ConfigAdmin and many others which are already in felix. >>>> >>>> Alasdair >>>> >>>> On 13 October 2010 14:48, Jeremy Hughes wrote: >>>>> There have been a few murmurings on the list about graduation. I >>>>> thought I'd kick of a specific discussion around whether to graduate >>>>> at all, whether to ask another TLP to take us, or go to a new TLP of >>>>> our own. After discussion has been had, we'll vote on another thread. >>>>> >>>>> We've carried out 2 releases, added 6 committers. Our mailing lists >>>>> have grown in popularity [1], and we have projects using our >>>>> components: JBoss OSGi, Apache Geronimo, Apache Karaf. Equally we're >>>>> using components from many other projects (as can be seen in our >>>>> poms). We have some good information on our website, although >>>>> naturally it can be improved. I think we're at a point where, with >>>>> just a little work, we would be ready to achieve graduation from the >>>>> Incubator. >>>>> >>>>> The graduation checklist according to the graduation guide [2] is: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Preparations >>>>> * Complete (and sign off) tasks documented in the status file >>>>> [most if not all of this is done, but the status page [3] isn't up to >>>>> date - I'm going through this] >>>>> >>>>> * Demonstrate ability to create Apache releases >>>>> [we've had two releases] >>>>> >>>>> * Demonstrate community readiness >>>>> [we've recruited users, developers, committers and PMCers - see news >>>>> section in the status. We've taken collective action and general >>>>> achieved what is set out in the 'community readiness' section] >>>>> >>>>> * Ensure Mentors and IPMC have no remaining issues >>>>> [the only remaining issue I'm aware of is the one highlighted in our >>>>> section of the Incubator board report: "Address project scope concerns >>>>> raised during acceptance vote". These concerns can be found here: >>>>> >>>>> 'But I expect the project to clarify its focus, and demonstrate >>>>> collaboration with other Apache projects using OSGi during >>>>> incubation.' (Bertrand Delacretaz) >>>>> http://markmail.org/message/r6adtazpj66jppes >>>>> >>>>> 'If it IS a goal to become a large component registry for "anything >>>>> OSGI enterprisey"' (Niclas Hedhman). >>>>> http://markmail.org/message/wnbcwgu6mvli5icy >>>>> >>>>> 'From the get-go, this appears headed towards an umbrella project. >>>>> Too many ways to justify "yeah, this belongs here" and far too >>>>> few ways to justify "nope, this doesn't quite fit in". So >>>>> whether TLP or part of Felix (as was the discussion), this appears >>>>> too comprehensive.' (Jim Jagielski) >>>>> http://markmail.org/thread/54b7ohg7cde5u5yt >>>>> >>>>> (have I missed any?) >>>>> >>>>> *If* we are to go to our own TLP then we would need a charter that >>>>> satisfies these concerns. We set out to build the components to enable >>>>> Enterprise Applications (by which I mean a la JEE but running in OSGi) >>>>> which I think we have made great progress towards, as a community. I >>>>> think we have demonstrated the scope of what we set out to achieve, we >>>>> just need the words to describe it.] >>>>> >>>>> 2. Decide upon destination >>>>> [Options are a new TLP or join an existing TLP. I, for one, would like >>>>> to frame a charter for a new TLP that is focused enough to satisfy the >>>>> concerns above. I think the word Enterprise has been contentious and >>>>> we should either define what we mean by it (my preference) or choose >>>>> another word.] >>>>> >>>>> 3. Prepare a resolution (top level candidates only). >>>>> 4. Subproject acceptance VOTE by destination Project (subproject >>>>> candidates only) >>>>> 5. Incubator PMC (IPMC): >>>>> * For top level candidates, this is a recommendation VOTE >>>>> * For subproject candidates, this is a graduation approval VOTE >>>>> So actually perhaps this isn't a Graduation discussion, but a >>>>> Recommendation discussion :-) >>>>> >>>>> 6. Final hand-over >>>>> 7. Consider post graduation tasks >>>>> >>>>> Please comment freely. >>>>> >>>>> [1] http://pulse.apache.org/#aries-dev_at_incubator.apache.org >>>>> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html >>>>> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/aries.html >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Jeremy >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alasdair Nottingham >>>> [email protected] > +1 for graduation. ARIES is definitevely the TroJan Horse of OSGI EE project > and Smx / Karaf count on it. Johan Edstrom [email protected] They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
