Jeremy, Thank you for the excellent and thorough summary. Thanks also
for initiating an official discussion thread on graduation.
I think the evidence you present demonstrates that we are ready for
graduation (after updating the status page and gaining consensus as you
mentioned). I also agree with you and others that it seems to make the
most sense to recommend Aries be a TLP as we gain agreement on the scope
statement. In that scope I think we probably need to include the word
"Enterprise" (with appropriate clarification). I think the scope issue
is even more confusing without it than with it.
Joe
On 10/13/10 9:48 AM, Jeremy Hughes wrote:
There have been a few murmurings on the list about graduation. I
thought I'd kick of a specific discussion around whether to graduate
at all, whether to ask another TLP to take us, or go to a new TLP of
our own. After discussion has been had, we'll vote on another thread.
We've carried out 2 releases, added 6 committers. Our mailing lists
have grown in popularity [1], and we have projects using our
components: JBoss OSGi, Apache Geronimo, Apache Karaf. Equally we're
using components from many other projects (as can be seen in our
poms). We have some good information on our website, although
naturally it can be improved. I think we're at a point where, with
just a little work, we would be ready to achieve graduation from the
Incubator.
The graduation checklist according to the graduation guide [2] is:
1. Preparations
* Complete (and sign off) tasks documented in the status file
[most if not all of this is done, but the status page [3] isn't up to
date - I'm going through this]
* Demonstrate ability to create Apache releases
[we've had two releases]
* Demonstrate community readiness
[we've recruited users, developers, committers and PMCers - see news
section in the status. We've taken collective action and general
achieved what is set out in the 'community readiness' section]
* Ensure Mentors and IPMC have no remaining issues
[the only remaining issue I'm aware of is the one highlighted in our
section of the Incubator board report: "Address project scope concerns
raised during acceptance vote". These concerns can be found here:
'But I expect the project to clarify its focus, and demonstrate
collaboration with other Apache projects using OSGi during
incubation.' (Bertrand Delacretaz)
http://markmail.org/message/r6adtazpj66jppes
'If it IS a goal to become a large component registry for "anything
OSGI enterprisey"' (Niclas Hedhman).
http://markmail.org/message/wnbcwgu6mvli5icy
'From the get-go, this appears headed towards an umbrella project.
Too many ways to justify "yeah, this belongs here" and far too
few ways to justify "nope, this doesn't quite fit in". So
whether TLP or part of Felix (as was the discussion), this appears
too comprehensive.' (Jim Jagielski)
http://markmail.org/thread/54b7ohg7cde5u5yt
(have I missed any?)
*If* we are to go to our own TLP then we would need a charter that
satisfies these concerns. We set out to build the components to enable
Enterprise Applications (by which I mean a la JEE but running in OSGi)
which I think we have made great progress towards, as a community. I
think we have demonstrated the scope of what we set out to achieve, we
just need the words to describe it.]
2. Decide upon destination
[Options are a new TLP or join an existing TLP. I, for one, would like
to frame a charter for a new TLP that is focused enough to satisfy the
concerns above. I think the word Enterprise has been contentious and
we should either define what we mean by it (my preference) or choose
another word.]
3. Prepare a resolution (top level candidates only).
4. Subproject acceptance VOTE by destination Project (subproject
candidates only)
5. Incubator PMC (IPMC):
* For top level candidates, this is a recommendation VOTE
* For subproject candidates, this is a graduation approval VOTE
So actually perhaps this isn't a Graduation discussion, but a
Recommendation discussion :-)
6. Final hand-over
7. Consider post graduation tasks
Please comment freely.
[1] http://pulse.apache.org/#aries-dev_at_incubator.apache.org
[2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
[3] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/aries.html
Thanks,
Jeremy
--
Joe
