David,

On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:17 AM, David Huberman <[email protected]> 
wrote:
> David and PPML,
> 
> The core issue is "should ARIN provide number resources to networks whose 
> customers and users are exclusively outside the ARIN service region?" The 
> genesis of the question is borne of a staff report that Chinese hosting 
> companies are using routing tricks to number their customers in China with 
> ARIN addresses. Moreover, the amount of space being allocated to Chinese 
> companies is highly significant.
> 
> The policy proposal on the table offers one mechanism to answer, "No" to this 
> question.  Lost in the PPML debate so far (from my perspective) is the core 
> question above.
> 
> As ARIN-region operators, are you ok with what's left in ARIN's inventory 
> going to networks who are, for all intents and purposes, in China?

Thank you very much for clearly and succinctly laying out the core question 
associated with this policy.

While I might generalize (e.g., not focusing specifically on China even though 
that was in the staff report -- they're probably just the first/currently most 
notable), I personally believe the first step in determining whether one agrees 
or disagrees with this policy would be to answer David's question. 

Noting that AfriNIC and LACNIC have answered this question in the negative 
("no, it is not ok") might be a useful data point to consider.

If your answer to David's question is "I'm ok with it", then further discussion 
is irrelevant.

If your answer to David's question is "No, I'm not ok with it", then descent 
into details of how ARIN staff can establish where a network is might be a 
worthwhile exercise (although it might be the case that this could be left to 
ARIN staff to determine as an implementation detail not related to the overall 
policy).

Regards,
-drc

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