On 10/9/2013 9:17 AM, John Curran wrote:
On Oct 9, 2013, at 12:33 AM, Matthew Kaufman <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm pretty sure that we must "consider virtual equipment (e.g. VM's) as actual
technical infrastructure". The actual businesses that are being built on the
Internet appear to have outpaced policy here.
If I host a large computing cloud or storage cloud, I really need to be able to get additional
address space as that cloud grows. There may be no addresses that are "assigned to a specific
customer" or even a "pool of addresses that are used by specific customers" in the
traditional ISP sense. In fact, I might consider myself an end-user of IP space, not an ISP, and be
attempting to get address space as an end-user. And the growth of the exposed IP surface of that
cloud may or may not be a linear function of the physical resources I throw at it. In fact, as the
physical resources get more powerful, I would expect not.
...
Congrats, you're an end-user. You get an address block, and
when its used, you ask for more and we verify the usage of the
prior block. The fact that many, many IPs are assigned to a
handful of devices doesn't matter, as long as they are utilized.
This is per the NRPM 4.3.6 end-user policies, and works quite
well today with ARIN performing verification across if wide
variety of technologies, including addresses deployed into
virtual infrastructure. Under the end-user policies, this is
quite possible, but we're quite likely to ask for additional
information in order correlate your recent growth which other
metrics.
And under the proposed policy your usage verification would require "a
plurality of new resources requested from ARIN must be justified by
technical infrastructure or customers located within the ARIN service
region"... and so if you don't count my virtual servers as "technical
infrastructure" (see your previous reply: "We don't consider virtual
'technical infrastructure' for assessing the need for addresses") and
the "customers" of my cloud service happen to be mostly outside of the
ARIN service region, what then?
Matthew Kaufman
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