On Oct 8, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Frank Bulk 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

As others have pointed out at the PPC and in this discussion, virtualization is 
here to stay, and it doesn’t make sense that ARIN staff’s practices don’t line 
up with reality if the NPRM doesn’t preclude that.  The NPRM only talks about 
hosts, devices, and infrastructure.

We have many service providers using virtualization with no problem at all; it 
is completely
compatible with ARIN's policies.

To be clear, the policy manual discusses IP address _for customers_, and that 
is what
is described under NRPM 4.2 (allocations to ISPs).  New requests are verified 
based on
documenting the assignment of the address space of the last block out to 
individual
customers.  Those customers can be on dedicated servers, shared servers, virtual
servers, or anything else.

  I don’t believe there is anything that requires a physical host or physical 
infrastructure (i.e. load balancer).  Rather than disallow virtualized hosts or 
infrastructure from contributing to a host count, why not require the requestor 
to provide some documentation of the validity of these virtualized hosts, 
perhaps through invoices showing that Customer A had an average of 30 servers 
and a peak of 45 servers in the last month, Customer B had an average of 10 
servers and a peak of 50 servers in the last month, etc, and then some 
aggregate data that shows many virtualized servers operated on average and at 
peak.  It seems that in general the community trusts ARIN staff to sniff out 
abuse – and if initially the requestors are required to show the last 3 or 6 or 
9 months of invoices or virtualization data, that’s a lot better than the 
current practice of not being willing to count them at all.

Additional allocations are not based on equipment, but on utilization of the 
last IP address
block via assignments to customers.  If ISP A gets to 80% because of great 
virtual hosting
sales, they can come get new addresses, regardless of the actual technology 
used.  It is
true that if an ISP bought some equipment and used the addresses to turn it up, 
we'll consider
those IP addresses assigned as well, but primary driver is documented customer 
assignments.

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

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