This, too.

Owen

On Feb 24, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Bill Darte <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'll not answer for Owen, but your question prompts me to say that the 
> transfer market is not a goodness.  It was, in my mind, a reasonable yet 
> distasteful stop gap on the way toward a once again more unified protocol 
> environment...to wit.. IPv6.
> 
> My market theory suggest that transfer market at its free-est and most open 
> deters and confuses the way forward.  The purpose of standards is to 
> eliminate confusion and choices which require understanding investment 
> options and application consequences.  While standards have their downside, 
> one of them is not those elements of marketplace choice.  
> 
> The more options existing the more confused.  Investment=legacy.  End-users 
> must predict and interpret, making decisions that may come back to haunt. 
> Developers delay their innovation in order to better understand whether 
> they're investing in a blind technology. Transport providers must deploy and 
> support more complicated configurations with their limited funds, inevitably 
> satisfying some an thwarting others.
> 
> Would that the transfer market and all efforts to prolong IPv4 come to an end 
> quickly IMO.
> 
> End of soapbox
> 
> bd
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 7:13 AM, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:20 AM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > On Feb 23, 2014, at 6:32 PM, David Farmer <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> ...
> >> I've been thinking about this maybe the restrictions for anti-flipping 
> >> don't belong in section 8 at all.  Maybe they belong in section 4 as they 
> >> are intended to protect the ARIN IPv4 free pool.
> >
> > I disagree. I don’t want to see flipping become a tool for speculation in 
> > the market post-exhaustion, any more than I want to see it become a tool 
> > for draining the free pool. In fact, I think that the former might be 
> > significantly more harmful than the latter at this point.
> 
> Owen -
> 
>   Could you elaborate your thoughts regarding the harm that might occur?
> 
>   I believe that folks understand risks associated with sudden/unexpected 
> IPv4 free
>   pool depletion, but you are suggesting that liquidity itself in the IPv4 
> transfer
>   market is harmful.  As that is neither obvious nor aligned with most market 
> theory,
>   it would be best for you to elaborate your thoughts some on that aspect.
> 
> Thanks!
> /John
> 
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
> 
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