Sure, I think I agreed with you....but it remains in my mind a stop-gap (or should be) until such time the baking is complete and too much emphasis on free-market transfers simply lowers the oven temperature....
bd On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 7:23 PM, George Herbert <[email protected]>wrote: > I object to the viewpoint that we should use policy to confuse things so > that IPv6 is more attractive sooner. There are systemic risks with IPv4 > runout and inflexibility prior to IPv6 being fully baked in the > works-for-everyone sense. The time to have made those adjustments was 2008 > or so, not now. > > If we're going to go back to recent history for economic lessons, the Fed > letting Lehman Brothers crash is a good one. They were trying to make a > couple of points, too, but the collateral damage nearly caused a > depression... > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This, too. >> >> Owen >> >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Bill Darte <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I'll not answer for Owen, but your question prompts me to say that the >> transfer market is not a goodness. It was, in my mind, a reasonable yet >> distasteful stop gap on the way toward a once again more unified protocol >> environment...to wit.. IPv6. >> >> My market theory suggest that transfer market at its free-est and most >> open deters and confuses the way forward. The purpose of standards is to >> eliminate confusion and choices which require understanding investment >> options and application consequences. While standards have their downside, >> one of them is not those elements of marketplace choice. >> >> The more options existing the more confused. Investment=legacy. >> End-users must predict and interpret, making decisions that may come back >> to haunt. Developers delay their innovation in order to better understand >> whether they're investing in a blind technology. Transport providers must >> deploy and support more complicated configurations with their limited >> funds, inevitably satisfying some an thwarting others. >> >> Would that the transfer market and all efforts to prolong IPv4 come to an >> end quickly IMO. >> >> End of soapbox >> >> bd >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 7:13 AM, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:20 AM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > On Feb 23, 2014, at 6:32 PM, David Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> ... >>> >> I've been thinking about this maybe the restrictions for >>> anti-flipping don't belong in section 8 at all. Maybe they belong in >>> section 4 as they are intended to protect the ARIN IPv4 free pool. >>> > >>> > I disagree. I don't want to see flipping become a tool for speculation >>> in the market post-exhaustion, any more than I want to see it become a tool >>> for draining the free pool. In fact, I think that the former might be >>> significantly more harmful than the latter at this point. >>> >>> Owen - >>> >>> Could you elaborate your thoughts regarding the harm that might occur? >>> >>> I believe that folks understand risks associated with >>> sudden/unexpected IPv4 free >>> pool depletion, but you are suggesting that liquidity itself in the >>> IPv4 transfer >>> market is harmful. As that is neither obvious nor aligned with most >>> market theory, >>> it would be best for you to elaborate your thoughts some on that >>> aspect. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> /John >>> >>> John Curran >>> President and CEO >>> ARIN >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> > > > > -- > -george william herbert > [email protected] >
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