On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:23 PM, George Herbert <[email protected]> wrote:
> I object to the viewpoint that we should use policy to confuse things so that > IPv6 is more attractive sooner. There are systemic risks with IPv4 runout > and inflexibility prior to IPv6 being fully baked in the works-for-everyone > sense. The time to have made those adjustments was 2008 or so, not now. I don’t believe that is what Bill suggested. I believe he stated that mucking with policy to make the market artificially attractive would harm the transition process. > If we're going to go back to recent history for economic lessons, the Fed > letting Lehman Brothers crash is a good one. They were trying to make a > couple of points, too, but the collateral damage nearly caused a depression… IMHO, failing to let a number of the others collapse and not dismantling those that were propped up was the bigger mistake. Owen > > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > This, too. > > Owen > > On Feb 24, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Bill Darte <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'll not answer for Owen, but your question prompts me to say that the >> transfer market is not a goodness. It was, in my mind, a reasonable yet >> distasteful stop gap on the way toward a once again more unified protocol >> environment...to wit.. IPv6. >> >> My market theory suggest that transfer market at its free-est and most open >> deters and confuses the way forward. The purpose of standards is to >> eliminate confusion and choices which require understanding investment >> options and application consequences. While standards have their downside, >> one of them is not those elements of marketplace choice. >> >> The more options existing the more confused. Investment=legacy. End-users >> must predict and interpret, making decisions that may come back to haunt. >> Developers delay their innovation in order to better understand whether >> they're investing in a blind technology. Transport providers must deploy and >> support more complicated configurations with their limited funds, inevitably >> satisfying some an thwarting others. >> >> Would that the transfer market and all efforts to prolong IPv4 come to an >> end quickly IMO. >> >> End of soapbox >> >> bd >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 7:13 AM, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:20 AM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > On Feb 23, 2014, at 6:32 PM, David Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ... >> >> I've been thinking about this maybe the restrictions for anti-flipping >> >> don't belong in section 8 at all. Maybe they belong in section 4 as they >> >> are intended to protect the ARIN IPv4 free pool. >> > >> > I disagree. I don’t want to see flipping become a tool for speculation in >> > the market post-exhaustion, any more than I want to see it become a tool >> > for draining the free pool. In fact, I think that the former might be >> > significantly more harmful than the latter at this point. >> >> Owen - >> >> Could you elaborate your thoughts regarding the harm that might occur? >> >> I believe that folks understand risks associated with sudden/unexpected >> IPv4 free >> pool depletion, but you are suggesting that liquidity itself in the IPv4 >> transfer >> market is harmful. As that is neither obvious nor aligned with most >> market theory, >> it would be best for you to elaborate your thoughts some on that aspect. >> >> Thanks! >> /John >> >> John Curran >> President and CEO >> ARIN >> >> _______________________________________________ >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > > -- > -george william herbert > [email protected]
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