I’ve never had even the smallest of sole proprietorships come away with nothing, so I find your argument here specious.
Owen On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:16 PM, Steven Ryerse <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes of course there is some right-sizing intertwined with needs testing in > existing policies which blurs the actual real-life effect. You make my point > in your description of what happens with allocation requests. When a larger > organization requests a larger block they probably will come away from it > with an allocation, possibly smaller than requested (and prefer) but they are > likely to receive an allocation none the less. When a small organization > requests the minimum block size and that request is refused because of > policy, they get nothing at all. No matter how you slice it that is an > un-even playing field and is arbitrary, unfair, and discriminatory against > small organizations in favor of larger ones. I have been pointing this out > for years and I've said it just about every way I know how. It is time this > gets corrected to level the playing field for all. The needs tests need to > go! > > Steven L Ryerse > President > 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338 > 770.656.1460 - Cell > 770.399.9099 - Office > 770.392-0076 - Fax > > ℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc. > Conquering Complex Networks℠ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Owen DeLong [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 12:25 AM > To: Steven Ryerse > Cc: John Santos; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers > > > On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Steven Ryerse <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> My post was in fact the lines below with the single > in front of them. >> >> Yes I have advocated right-sizing instead of needs testing several times. >> Right sizing and needs testing have some similarities and in my opinion are >> easily confused. A needs test ends up in a pass fail or yes no outcome and >> you either get the requested resources or you don’t. I would add this needs >> testing can easily be used by the haves to keep the have nots from receiving >> any resources at all, and in my opinion that is happening. However with a >> right-sizing test, the outcome always ends up with an allocation being made >> (or offered) even if it turns out to only be the size of the current policy >> Minimum. This is a huge difference for a small organization and it levels >> the playing field for smaller organizations! > > If that is your definition of needs testing, then in my experience ARIN > already engages in “right-sizing” because many times when I was unable to > convince them that my client qualified for what we asked for, they suggested > a longer prefix (smaller amount of addresses) that they would approve > immediately. We would usually accept their offer with a request that they > reserve the original request amount if possible. Then we would implement and > fully utilize the original approval and go back for the rest. This usually > worked quite well. > >> I realize that an organization might be allocated (or offered) a smaller >> allocation than requested, but all organizations can at least get the >> smallest allocation per the current policy minimum - not always the perfect >> situation but a lot better than zero resources. Further I don't think this >> hurts the haves at all (except maybe more competition), and I do not agree >> that "without needs testing the "haves" would have had it all a long time >> ago" - as long as right-sizing tests are applied to all. > > I think that recent policy changes have improved this. I would welcome policy > proposals that further improved the situation. > > Removing needs basis from 8.3 transfers doesn’t do that and it has a number > of other harmful outcomes as previously discussed. > > Owen > _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
