Then we agree that we disagree - but I stand by my last comment below which is
a clear illustration of exactly how the current policies are stacked against
small organizations.
Steven L Ryerse
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-----Original Message-----
From: Owen DeLong [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 1:31 AM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: John Santos; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
I’ve never had even the smallest of sole proprietorships come away with
nothing, so I find your argument here specious.
Owen
On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:16 PM, Steven Ryerse <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes of course there is some right-sizing intertwined with needs testing in
> existing policies which blurs the actual real-life effect. You make my point
> in your description of what happens with allocation requests. When a larger
> organization requests a larger block they probably will come away from it
> with an allocation, possibly smaller than requested (and prefer) but they are
> likely to receive an allocation none the less. When a small organization
> requests the minimum block size and that request is refused because of
> policy, they get nothing at all. No matter how you slice it that is an
> un-even playing field and is arbitrary, unfair, and discriminatory against
> small organizations in favor of larger ones. I have been pointing this out
> for years and I've said it just about every way I know how. It is time this
> gets corrected to level the playing field for all. The needs tests need to
> go!
>
> Steven L Ryerse
> President
> 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338
> 770.656.1460 - Cell
> 770.399.9099 - Office
> 770.392-0076 - Fax
>
> ℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc.
> Conquering Complex Networks℠
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owen DeLong [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 12:25 AM
> To: Steven Ryerse
> Cc: John Santos; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] About needs basis in 8.3 transfers
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Steven Ryerse <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> My post was in fact the lines below with the single > in front of them.
>>
>> Yes I have advocated right-sizing instead of needs testing several times.
>> Right sizing and needs testing have some similarities and in my opinion are
>> easily confused. A needs test ends up in a pass fail or yes no outcome and
>> you either get the requested resources or you don’t. I would add this needs
>> testing can easily be used by the haves to keep the have nots from receiving
>> any resources at all, and in my opinion that is happening. However with a
>> right-sizing test, the outcome always ends up with an allocation being made
>> (or offered) even if it turns out to only be the size of the current policy
>> Minimum. This is a huge difference for a small organization and it levels
>> the playing field for smaller organizations!
>
> If that is your definition of needs testing, then in my experience ARIN
> already engages in “right-sizing” because many times when I was unable to
> convince them that my client qualified for what we asked for, they suggested
> a longer prefix (smaller amount of addresses) that they would approve
> immediately. We would usually accept their offer with a request that they
> reserve the original request amount if possible. Then we would implement and
> fully utilize the original approval and go back for the rest. This usually
> worked quite well.
>
>> I realize that an organization might be allocated (or offered) a smaller
>> allocation than requested, but all organizations can at least get the
>> smallest allocation per the current policy minimum - not always the perfect
>> situation but a lot better than zero resources. Further I don't think this
>> hurts the haves at all (except maybe more competition), and I do not agree
>> that "without needs testing the "haves" would have had it all a long time
>> ago" - as long as right-sizing tests are applied to all.
>
> I think that recent policy changes have improved this. I would welcome policy
> proposals that further improved the situation.
>
> Removing needs basis from 8.3 transfers doesn’t do that and it has a number
> of other harmful outcomes as previously discussed.
>
> Owen
>
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