Care to state which of these positions expressed by various community members resonates with you?
Owen On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Jason Schiller <[email protected]> wrote: > I think the question here is does justified need provide value to the > community in creating "fairness"? > > A. Yes, keep measuring justified need as we always have. > > B. Yes, keep measuring justified need as we always have until something > better comes along. > > C. Yes, I'm not sure this is the most fair, but it has been the rules of the > game, and doesn't seem right to change the rules so close to the finish line > (especially when people's IPv6 adoption plans are depending on it). > > D. Yes, but there is a specific problem that results in some class being > treated unfairly, so a tweak or two is required. > > E. Yes, but a needs test only makes sense when addresses can be acquired > unrestricted or with flat or tiered pricing or even per low priced IP address > pricing. In a limited market, price is the most efficient and most fair > mechanism. > > F. No, there is a better mechanism that is "more fair" we should switch to > that immediately. > > G. Its not justified need isn't fair, but rather the fact that there are a > class of users whose justified need will not be fulfilled, such as > individuals (not an organization) or organizations that need only a small > amount of addressing (less than a /24 which is the arbitrary limit for > inetr-AS routing to keep tables small). > > H. Unrelated... while the current needs based justification is fair, the > process is difficult and the end result favors large organizations, those who > are growing rapidly (and thus repeated ask for space), those with a dedicated > IP management team, those with a dedicated legal team... The process (not > the policy) is unfair. > > __Jason > > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:40 PM, John Von Stein <[email protected]> > wrote: > My 2-cents on this thread … > > > > Having been in the commodity/derivative/equity trading businesses for 25 > years before starting an ISP I concur that a Market will likely evolve for US > IPv4. The fundamentals of Supply and Demand for IPv4 will prevail. It’s > probably happening already, akin to the “dark pools” of off-exchange trading > that were siphoning large amounts of trading volume away from the regulated > equity exchanges. This community, including ARIN, can either embrace and > guide this tectonic shift from single source of IP (ARIN) to a Market of IP > address suppliers / consumers from the playing field or else be left with > absolute control over essentially an empty bag of allocations and watching > the aftermarket activity from the sideline. > > > > Thank you, > > John W. Von Stein > > > > <image001.jpg> > > > > 102 NE 2nd Street > > Suite 136 > > Boca Raton, FL 33432 > > Office: 561-288-6989 > > www.QxCcommunications.com > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Steven Ryerse > Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 1:26 PM > To: Michael Peddemors; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Simple question to simplify the rhetoric.. > > > > Of course those are not the only two options. > > > > We could choose C: Open up the market by removing needs testing along the > lines of what RIPE is doing and let the market work that out. > > > > We could also D: Embrace and join the private market that has sprung up > outside of ARIN and legitimize it and work closely with it at the policy > level. (This has the added benefit of improving the accuracy of the > Database.) > > > > There are probably other options. > > > > Steven Ryerse > > President > > 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338 > > 770.656.1460 - Cell > > 770.399.9099- Office > > > > ℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc. > > Conquering Complex Networks℠ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Michael Peddemors > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 11:33 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Simple question to simplify the rhetoric.. > > > > On 14-06-06 08:21 AM, John Curran wrote: > > > On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Michael Peddemors <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > >> Why don't we first of all all express our simple votes.. > > >> > > >> A) Leave the current system alone, and let the free market work it > > >> out > > >> B) Enpower ARIN with more abilities to 'judge' who gets the remaining > > >> space > > > > > > Michael - > > > > > > In particular, there are the requirements for receiving space from the > > regional > > > free pool versus requirements for being a recipient of a market > > transfer. > > > > Understood of course, however I believe a consensus or even a productive > conversation in either case can't be had, unless the community first agrees > in principle to a fundamental change in ARIN's role, where it is transfer's > or allocation of new IP(s). > > > > > > > > -- > > "Catch the Magic of Linux..." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Michael Peddemors, President/CEO LinuxMagic Inc. > > Visit us at http://www.linuxmagic.com @linuxmagic > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > A Wizard IT Company - For More Info http://www.wizard.ca "LinuxMagic" a > Registered TradeMark of Wizard Tower TechnoServices Ltd. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 604-682-0300 Beautiful British Columbia, Canada > > > > This email and any electronic data contained are confidential and intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. > > Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely > those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. > > _______________________________________________ > > PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public > Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > > PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public > Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > > -- > _______________________________________________________ > Jason Schiller|NetOps|[email protected]|571-266-0006 > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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