Can we PLEASE change the header on this thread?
> -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Adam Thompson > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 2:28 PM > To: Steven Ryerse; John Curran > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2014-1 Out of Region Use > > On 14-12-15 12:34 PM, Steven Ryerse wrote: > > I would point out that very clearly, anyone who wanted a /24 got one from > Jon, just by requesting one. I was one of the many folks who requested and > received a /24. I also requested 4 consecutive /24's (Class C's) for a larger > customer and received those as well. I'm also reasonably sure that if I had > requested a /8 (Class A) - I would not have gotten one - but I would not have > gotten zero resources. > > > > The first word in item #1 below is Fair. I agree we need balance and as I > think you know by now I strongly do not think current policy is FAIR at the > small end. When big org requests big block they either get a big block or a > smaller block. When medium org requests medium block they either get > medium block or they get smaller block. When small org requests small block > they either get small block or NO BLOCK. This is inherently UNFAIR in my > opinion. I see no balance when a small org is discriminated against because > they are small and have limited means. Thus Dave and Sue in their garage > without the proverbial business plan or whatever to prove their need are > shut out - and that is against ARINs Mission. > > Adding my $0.02, and to some extent probably setting up a straw-man > argument: > > While I agree that *some* needs-based testing seems reasonable even for a > /24, I feel the barrier should be minimal - i.e. prove that a legal entity > exists > (including a Legal Person, which can include an individual > person) and has valid contact information. > > In fact, if the needs test were removed altogether for /24s, I would expect > this scenario to play out: > - all /24s get depleted rapidly > - ARIN no longer issues /24s, and continues to employ needs-based testing > for larger blocks > - the commercial transfer market becomes the only place to get /24s > - a market value for /24 rapidly is established and more-or-less settles > - the "Joe & Sue in a garage" client now has two choices: > a) buy a portable /24 from a transfer market and register it with > ARIN, if > they have the resources to do so, or > b) accept (and/or negotiate) whatever their ISP gives them, if they > do > not. > > This scenario could - potentially - ease ARIN's workload noticeably in the > very-small end of the spectrum, while allowing the free market to control > whether a new entrant gets PI space or not. > > This works analogously to the way the real-estate market works: if you can't > afford commercial space, you start in your garage or basement, and you > move out once you can afford commercial real estate. If you can afford a > storefront retail location, go ahead and pay for it - whether you ever open up > to the public or not, whether you use it or not. > If you can't afford a tiny PI allocation, use whatever your ISP gives you. > If you > can, go ahead and pay for it - whether you use it or not. > > > To rebut in advance the usual bogeyman of "but, speculators!": > counter-intuitively, speculators are not a bad thing. (See > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defending_the_Undefendable for an accessible > analysis of how speculators are necessary in a Capitalist > system.) > Is the company that owns the shopping mall a "speculator"? What about the > REITs, developers and other types of companies that buy up land and then > sell it to individuals? The function of a "speculator" is to help smooth out > price fluctuations. I have no interest whatsoever in seeing a "spot" market > for PI space. > > > In short, I would be willing to support removing needs-based testing for /24s. > It would harm people like myself, who run an entire ASN off a /24, but at the > same time would benefit the most typical sort of entity (also like myself ;-) > who needs a tiny PI block: multi-homed organizations who need redundancy > but can't otherwise meet the utilization threshold. Their numbers are > increasing all the time, and are reflective of small- and medium-business > numbers overall in North America, which in turn (according to multiple gov t > and academic sources) are what drives growth in North America. I don't > have any idea what the politico-economic situation is like in the Caribbean, > so don't make any claims about that. > > -- > -Adam Thompson > [email protected] > Cell: +1 204 291-7950 > Fax: +1 204 489-6515 > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public > Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
