> On Jan 23, 2017, at 8:23 PM, Kevin Blumberg <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Joe,
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> The asymmetric transfers you mention below are allowed from my understanding.
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> RIR<->RIR->NIR

It is my understanding that APNIC policy allows these transfers where it is 
RIR<->APNIC->NIR.

I do not know of any other circumstances where such asymmetric policies are 
allowed.

To the best of my knowledge, the current only NIRs implementing such asymmetric 
policy are CNNIC and VNNIC.

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> I remember this being discussed at the last ARIN meeting. If staff could 
> confirm my basic diagram that would be appreciated.
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> I believe at least for LACNIC and AFRNIC there should be a waiver if 
> requested, not a removal of reciprocity from the entire section.

I would not oppose (though, neither would I support) a temporary waiver, but I 
would want to see either hard criteria or a hard deadline when the waiver 
expires.

I strongly oppose removing the reciprocity from policy for the reasons 
previously stated.

Owen

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> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Response to AFRINIC on Policy compatibility
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> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 05:29:29PM -0800, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> The reciprocity requirement merely requires that the policies ALLOW 
>> transfers in both directions.
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>> I do not believe that allowing transfers to an RIR which will not 
>> allow transfers out is reasonable or prudent and this belief has 
>> nothing to do with maintenance or protection of a free pool. If we 
>> will allow transfers between RIRs, then the policies by which they are 
>> allowed should be fair, balanced, and symmetrical. This does not mean 
>> that I expect the ratio of actual transfers to be balanced or 
>> symmetrical, merely that the policies under which they are conducted 
>> should be.
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> I'm with Owen on this. 
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> For folks who think asymmetric transfers in this context (co-operating RIRs) 
> is OK, how do they feel regarding such transfers in other contexts?  I'm 
> specifically thinking of asymmetric lock-in transfers to certain NIRs who 
> require resources used within their legislative boundary be in their 
> registry. I'm concerned that even a conditional door open here sets a 
> precedent for enabling such reduced resource fluidity. 
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> IMNSHO, that way leads to enabling Balkanization.
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> Cheers!
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> Joe
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