I hardly think that an ISP getting a /21 as their first allocation via transfer can support much hoarding. Really, we’re talking about trying to issue addresses to customers _AND_ manage your own infrastructure out of a total of 8 /24s. Just a barebones ISP infrastructure strikes me as quickly approaching a pair of /24s leaving only 6 /24s to issue to customers. If you’re a 100% residential provider, you’re going to need a lot more customers than that just to be profitable. If you’re a 100% business provider, even if we assume only a /29 per customer, that’s still only 192 customers before you’re at 100% utilization. If you’ve got some mix, then you have a smaller number of business customers who might be subsidizing your residential customers, but it’s still not a large customer count.
Any ISP smaller than that isn’t going to want to pay the acquisition costs of the extra space in the transfer market to begin with. If we’re worried about hoarding, that’s going to be something very large organizations with large budgets will do if it’s going to matter at all. Owen > On Jan 20, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Andrew Bagrin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Justification seemed reasonably simple. If they are burdensome, we could look > at making justification easier. > I would vote for #1 but either is fine. I'm all for the prevention of IP > blocks hoarding. > > On Jan 20, 2018 12:17 PM, "David Farmer" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I think the burden is the potential to have to rejustify an ISP's initial > allocation when being fulfilled by transfer. The inconsistency seems > inefficient and creates confusion; there appears to be support for > eliminating the inconsistency. With slightly more support for changing > section 8 to be consistent with section 4, rather than the other way around. > > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Scott Leibrand <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Quoting myself: > >> If there are organizations transferring blocks larger than a /24 for whom >> officer-attested justification is burdensome (to them or to ARIN) I’d like >> to understand what is burdensome, so we can figure out how to reduce that >> burden. If not, then implementing section 8 as written seems appropriate >> until we identify a reason to change it. > > > Do you know of any organizations transferring blocks larger than a /24 for > whom officer-attested justification is burdensome (to them or to ARIN)? > > Scott > > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:[email protected] > <mailto:email%[email protected]> > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <tel:(612)%20626-0815> > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <tel:(612)%20812-9952> > =============================================== > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > <http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> > Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any > issues. > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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