I think the example, (2014, DE shell, owned by proscribed parties, gets stewardship of resources, ARIN <should> due diligence on beneficial owners) has ARIN over-reaching the State of Delaware and the IRS/Treasury. If a legal entity passes documentation muster (as JC pointed out) then ARIN is obliged/compelled to follow its policies. In the case of suspect behaviours, DE can cancel the corporate registration and the IRS/Treas can sequester assets & block transactions. I believe a court could instruct ARIN to recover or assign resources. ARIN <IMnsHO> should stick to its knitting. ARIN <currently> has no business in maintaing a DNA registry of all natural persons who may have been associated in a transaction with ARIN over resource assignments and use that registry in cooperation with global LEA to catch perps. I hope ARIN never goes there.
/Wm On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:31 AM, Roberts, Orin <[email protected]> wrote: > I am assuming Ronald is aware of this. > > https://www.arin.net/knowledge/rirs/ARINcountries.html > > ARIN's geographical service area includes all of the countries in the list > below. > Complete List of Countries in the ARIN Region > Canada Sector A 2 A 3 Region > CANADA CA CAN ARIN > Caribbean and North Atlantic Islands Sector A 2 A 3 Region > ANGUILLA AI AIA ARIN > ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA AG ATG ARIN > BAHAMAS BS BHS ARIN > BARBADOS BB BRB ARIN > BERMUDA BM BMU ARIN > CAYMAN ISLANDS KY CYM ARIN > DOMINICA DM DMA ARIN > GRENADA GD GRD ARIN > GUADELOUPE GP GLP ARIN > JAMAICA JM JAM ARIN > MARTINIQUE MQ MTQ ARIN > MONTSERRAT MS MSR ARIN > SAINT BARTHELEMY BL BLM ARIN > SAINT KITTS AND NEVIS KN KNA ARIN > SAINT LUCIA LC LCA ARIN > ST. PIERRE AND MIQUELON PM SPM ARIN > SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES VC VCT ARIN > ST. MARTIN MF MAF ARIN > TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS TC TCA ARIN > VIRGIN ISLANDS (BRITISH) VG VGB ARIN > United States Sector A 2 A 3 Region > UNITED STATES US USA ARIN > PUERTO RICO > PR PRI ARIN > VIRGIN ISLANDS (U.S.) > VI VIR ARIN > UNITED STATES MINOR OUTLYING ISLANDS > UM UMI ARIN > Outlying Areas Sector A 2 A 3 Region > ANTARCTICA AQ ATA ARIN > BOUVET ISLAND BV BVT ARIN > HEARD AND MC DONALD ISLANDS HM HMD ARIN > ST. HELENA SH SHN ARIN > > > > > > Orin Roberts > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Keith W. Hare > Sent: July-13-18 7:50 AM > To: Ronald F. Guilmette <[email protected]>; ARIN-PPML List < > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners > > Ronald, > > In answer to your question > > I would like to know if there is, or would be, > general hostility to the notion of ARIN asking for > concrete documentation of the identities of the beneficial > owners (say, for 25% ownership or above) of non-publicly-traded > corporate entities to which ARIN assigns number resources. > > I don't know about general hostility, but I personally am hostile to this > notion. > > I have a couple of reasons: > > 1. As a small company, we have better things to do than provide more > documentation. > 2. This looks a lot like a search for a problem in hopes of suggesting > that the problem exists rather than a response to a real problem. > > Keith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ronald > F. Guilmette > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:36 PM > To: ARIN-PPML List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners > > > In message <CAC4yj2X+hS4rjyCHiLagk9AQVWa3ZFYvs_ > [email protected]> > Jason Schiller <[email protected]> wrote: > > >I know neither of these directly answer your question. > > Well, in a word, no. but I appreciate your response as it does shed a bit > more light on this overall topic. > > Of course, I have no real idea what the exact meaning of this phrase is: > "provided that the applicant has a real and substantial connection with > the ARIN region". But that's OK, because I don't imagine that anybody else > has either, and I intuit that this exact squishy phraseology was made a > part of ARIN-2015-5 rather deliberately, to insure general acceptance of > the larger proposal. > > To return to my original point however, I would like to know if there is, > or would be, general hostility to the notion of ARIN asking for concrete > documentation of the identities of the beneficial owners (say, for 25% > ownership or above) of non-publicly-traded corporate entities to which ARIN > assigns number resources. > > As should be evident, in the current era, and given the various > shenanigans, political and otherwise, that have dogged the Internet > generally in recent years, I personally am of the opinion that additional > transparency is not only warranted but necessary, even if for no other > reason than to fully comply with both the letter and the spirit of existing > law and various international sanction regimes. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >
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