Ron wrote: But I certainly do not ask or expect ARIN to take on the "Internet Police" role with respect to those separate issues. I can and do however bemoan the fact that the two blocks in question were issued AT ALL... apparently to two fundamentally out-of-region players.
I bemoan these awards of valuable IPv4 real estate and for the reasons I've already stated... reasons which don't clearly implicate any acts of "fraud" per se, at least not under the laws of the relevant country (U.S.) or those of the relevant U.S. states in question. Bottom line? If goofballs from outside of ARIN's North American and Caribbean geographical region feel the need to get chunks of IPv4 space and then preceed to use those to screw up the Internet, then I for one would greatly prefer it if they were at least forced to obtain their IPv4 space from either legitimate broker transactions or preferably from their own Regional Internet Registries. Hi Ron, Whereas I am sure you will get firm agreement from everybody in this community regarding the abuse of address space, your language leads to conflating the concept of ARIN-"awarded" space and purchased space that can be registered anywhere in North America, Europe, the Middle East, or Asia. What difference does it make if an Iranian or Pakistani citizen created a Delaware corp and purchased ARIN space and kept it registered in ARIN, versus transferring it to a RIPE or APNIC account in Iran or Pakistan? The addresses can be used nefariously regardless of registry. ARIN is not issuing space out of any free pool, so the sizes (/19, /17, whatever) are not really relevant. (Unless your issue is abuse of 4.4 and 4.10?) And what incentive is there for the creation of an American corporation and the receipt of ARIN space, versus purchasing ARIN/RIPE/APNIC space and registering it wherever you wish? I am not understanding the core of the problem here. There is no fraud, no "award", ARIN will not issue to OFAC entities, and everybody has to purchase their addresses now, can register them where they want, and can use them where they want. What is the difference to anybody if the nefarious foreigners keep the registration in ARIN? It's just more dues for us. And in ARIN the buyer has to justify, and it seems like it would be harder for nefarious users to do that justification in ARIN than to simply purchase RIPE addresses and avoid the necessary disclosures. Regards, Mike _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
