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On 6/20/2019 12:27 PM, Alyssa Moore wrote:
Hi folks,

Trying to do a temperature check here. If you're following this thread, please indicate whether you support or oppose this draft policy.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:42 AM David Farmer <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



    On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 2:50 PM Mueller, Milton L
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        OK, I’ve read it, and here is my reaction:

            This policy requires legal comment. ARIN’s Articles and
            Bylaws do not specifically prohibit ARIN from monetizing
            returned or revoked resources by selling those resources
            into the transfer market

            So point #1 is that this proposed policy does not violate
            any articles or bylaws.

            Today, ARIN does not financially benefit in any material
            way from such revocations. Adoption of this policy would
            for the first time allow the party in a contested
            revocation situation to argue that ARIN seeks to
            financially benefit. Avoiding that concern is also
            significant.

        I am totally unimpressed with this argument. If ARIN revokes
        addresses for nonpayment it is financially benefiting from the
        revocation is it not? It is basically taking them back because
        it is not getting paid.

        If ARIN “gets paid” by selling the numbers into the transfer
        market what is the difference exactly?


    Referring to the waiting list policy, the Draft Policy says, "this
    policy provides valuable number resources essentially for free".

    Yes, ARIN currently financially benefits, but currently, that
    benefit is at a level of cost recovery, "essentially for free" as
    stated above. Whereas, if ARIN were to dispose of resources using
    the market, the level of financial benefit is likely to be orders
    of magnitude larger. Furthermore, if this wasn't the case, then
    the impact on the market and the potential for fraud supposedly
    created by the waiting list, that the draft policy proposes to
    mitigate, wouldn't exist in the first place.

    In short, "what is the difference", probably, several orders of
    magnitude in the level of financial benefit involved. Where the
    financial motivations from simple "cost recovery" can probably be
    summarily dismissed by the court. Whereas the potential financial
    motivations, that one might even call a windfall, from
    market-based transactions probably at least needs to be examined
    and evaluated by the court, and probably wouldn't be summarily
    dismissed. The outcome of the two situations might be the same in
    the end, but the level of effort involved defending and the level
    of risk of an adverse ruling, are not the same at all.

    More generally, ARIN participating in the market seems distasteful
    and counter to its overall mission, but doesn't directly violate
    its Articles and Bylaws.

    That said that doesn't mean ARIN can't implement the policy, but
    these risks need to be evaluated when compared to other
    alternatives being considered, along with the possible benefits
    this policy could have as well.

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