I oppose the RIR to participate on any market place and thefore to keep the waiting list, BUT limited to a maximum of /22 regardless of the size of who request and ONLY for newcomers as it is in others RIRs.
A single /24 is useless for majority of uses, even for CGNAT and other techniques that transition to IPv6. A /22 has been the most reasonable and bare minimal size for companies to do a proper transition technique and an ISP to properly exist and compete in the Internet. Anything less than a /22 is force one to suffer unecessarily. Fernando On Thu, 20 Jun 2019, 13:57 , <[email protected]> wrote: > Oppose > > I have no problem with the idea of getting rid of the waiting list part of > the proposal. > > I do have a problem with an auction, as I think it will cause lots of > issues when ARIN revokes resources, because it certainly will be alleged > that "ARIN did it for the money", as has already been discussed, and will > make any legal action a lot more costly. The Board choosing to use auction > proceeds for legal costs would be like pouring gasoline on a fire, and I > note that the Board could choose to spend auction proceeds in this > fashion, since how to spend the proceeds is totally under their control. > > Rather than an auction, I propose putting the returns in the 4.10 > Dedicated IPv4 Block to Facilitate IPv6 Deployment. This pool is limited > to a /24 maximum. This use would also promote IPv6 use. > > This would leave the marketplace as the only source of IPv4 addresses > greater than a /24. It would also effectively limit any "free" addresses > to smaller players. > > If we are giving out "Free" addresses at ARIN, why not impose a condition > that the addresses so provided be used as part of IPv6 deployment? > > Albert Erdmann > Network Administrator > Paradise On Line Inc. > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019, Alyssa Moore wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > Trying to do a temperature check here. If you're following this thread, > > please indicate whether you support or oppose this draft policy. > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:42 AM David Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 2:50 PM Mueller, Milton L <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> OK, I’ve read it, and here is my reaction: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> This policy requires legal comment. ARIN’s Articles and Bylaws do not > >>> specifically prohibit ARIN from monetizing returned or revoked > resources by > >>> selling those resources into the transfer market > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> So point #1 is that this proposed policy does not violate any articles > or > >>> bylaws. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Today, ARIN does not financially benefit in any material way from such > >>> revocations. Adoption of this policy would for the first time allow the > >>> party in a contested revocation situation to argue that ARIN seeks to > >>> financially benefit. Avoiding that concern is also significant. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I am totally unimpressed with this argument. If ARIN revokes addresses > >>> for nonpayment it is financially benefiting from the revocation is it > not? > >>> It is basically taking them back because it is not getting paid. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> If ARIN “gets paid” by selling the numbers into the transfer market > what > >>> is the difference exactly? > >>> > >> > >> Referring to the waiting list policy, the Draft Policy says, "this > policy > >> provides valuable number resources essentially for free". > >> > >> Yes, ARIN currently financially benefits, but currently, that benefit is > >> at a level of cost recovery, "essentially for free" as stated above. > >> Whereas, if ARIN were to dispose of resources using the market, the > level > >> of financial benefit is likely to be orders of magnitude larger. > >> Furthermore, if this wasn't the case, then the impact on the market and > the > >> potential for fraud supposedly created by the waiting list, that the > draft > >> policy proposes to mitigate, wouldn't exist in the first place. > >> > >> In short, "what is the difference", probably, several orders of > magnitude > >> in the level of financial benefit involved. Where the financial > motivations > >> from simple "cost recovery" can probably be summarily dismissed by the > >> court. Whereas the potential financial motivations, that one might even > >> call a windfall, from market-based transactions probably at least needs > to > >> be examined and evaluated by the court, and probably wouldn't be > summarily > >> dismissed. The outcome of the two situations might be the same in the > end, > >> but the level of effort involved defending and the level of risk of an > >> adverse ruling, are not the same at all. > >> > >> More generally, ARIN participating in the market seems distasteful and > >> counter to its overall mission, but doesn't directly violate its > Articles > >> and Bylaws. > >> > >> That said that doesn't mean ARIN can't implement the policy, but these > >> risks need to be evaluated when compared to other alternatives being > >> considered, along with the possible benefits this policy could have as > well. > >> > >> -- > >> =============================================== > >> David Farmer Email:[email protected] > >> Networking & Telecommunication Services > >> Office of Information Technology > >> University of Minnesota > >> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 > >> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > >> =============================================== > >> _______________________________________________ > >> ARIN-PPML > >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > >> > >_______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >
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