+1 Owen
> On Jun 23, 2019, at 04:35 , Joe Provo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Strongly oppose. > > We all see things through our own lenses, so I'm not > suprised by the position of economists. I am troubled > by some folks using the phrase "distort the market" > to describe tge normal functioning of the RIR, as if > there is some form of *primacy* to be placed on the > transfer market. We should recall that it > exists solely as a tool for resource redistribution > with registry accuracy. It exists to serve us not > the other way around. > > Cheers, > > Joe > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 12:27:15PM -0400, Alyssa Moore wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> Trying to do a temperature check here. If you're following this thread, >> please indicate whether you support or oppose this draft policy. >> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 11:42 AM David Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 2:50 PM Mueller, Milton L <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> OK, I???ve read it, and here is my reaction: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This policy requires legal comment. ARIN???s Articles and Bylaws do not >>>> specifically prohibit ARIN from monetizing returned or revoked resources by >>>> selling those resources into the transfer market >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So point #1 is that this proposed policy does not violate any articles or >>>> bylaws. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Today, ARIN does not financially benefit in any material way from such >>>> revocations. Adoption of this policy would for the first time allow the >>>> party in a contested revocation situation to argue that ARIN seeks to >>>> financially benefit. Avoiding that concern is also significant. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am totally unimpressed with this argument. If ARIN revokes addresses >>>> for nonpayment it is financially benefiting from the revocation is it not? >>>> It is basically taking them back because it is not getting paid. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If ARIN ???gets paid??? by selling the numbers into the transfer market >>>> what >>>> is the difference exactly? >>>> >>> >>> Referring to the waiting list policy, the Draft Policy says, "this policy >>> provides valuable number resources essentially for free". >>> >>> Yes, ARIN currently financially benefits, but currently, that benefit is >>> at a level of cost recovery, "essentially for free" as stated above. >>> Whereas, if ARIN were to dispose of resources using the market, the level >>> of financial benefit is likely to be orders of magnitude larger. >>> Furthermore, if this wasn't the case, then the impact on the market and the >>> potential for fraud supposedly created by the waiting list, that the draft >>> policy proposes to mitigate, wouldn't exist in the first place. >>> >>> In short, "what is the difference", probably, several orders of magnitude >>> in the level of financial benefit involved. Where the financial motivations >>> from simple "cost recovery" can probably be summarily dismissed by the >>> court. Whereas the potential financial motivations, that one might even >>> call a windfall, from market-based transactions probably at least needs to >>> be examined and evaluated by the court, and probably wouldn't be summarily >>> dismissed. The outcome of the two situations might be the same in the end, >>> but the level of effort involved defending and the level of risk of an >>> adverse ruling, are not the same at all. >>> >>> More generally, ARIN participating in the market seems distasteful and >>> counter to its overall mission, but doesn't directly violate its Articles >>> and Bylaws. >>> >>> That said that doesn't mean ARIN can't implement the policy, but these >>> risks need to be evaluated when compared to other alternatives being >>> considered, along with the possible benefits this policy could have as well. >>> >>> -- >>> =============================================== >>> David Farmer Email:[email protected] >>> Networking & Telecommunication Services >>> Office of Information Technology >>> University of Minnesota >>> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 >>> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 >>> =============================================== >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > -- > Posted from my personal account - see X-Disclaimer header. > Joe Provo / Gweep / Earthling > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). 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