I am be wrong, but sometimes I feel that some people either don't
understand the issue of IPv4 exhaustion and keep believing everything
will always be sorted out. Even worst, some seem to believe that if they
have a noble justification ARIN will keep issuing them with more IPv4
and all that's necessary for that is a policy in place.
Other seems to go in the direction of "I support it because my supplier
(or customer) needs it in order that I can keep doing business with him"
- forgetting that policies are not made to fulfill individual or fewer
business needs among the totality of members that use those limited
resources.
I do understand the reasoning of some that mentioned that point about
being removed from the list, however that was not done on propose
against those individual institutions but given the circumstances and in
order to benefit the majority of existing and new members in a more fair
possible way.
Regards
Fernando
On 15/01/2021 15:56, hostmas...@uneedus.com wrote:
All major operating systems and major brands of networking gear have
IPv6 enabled. In fact, the latest windows server networking requires
IPv6, and features will fail if you were to turn IPv6 off.
I understand good designs can be done with IPv4 with little or no
configuration. In fact the CPE of most major ISP's today have BOTH
IPv4 dhcp blocks preconfigured, as well as assignment of IPv6 to all
attached network devices by SLAAC and/or DHCPv6, leaving nearly no
configuration to set up a single node network.
Thus, if setting up a new network, it actually takes MORE work to get
rid of IPv6 to form an IPv4 only network, rather than simply using the
preconfigured setup which is dual stack.
There are already nodes on the internet that are IPv6 ONLY. This will
become more common as time goes on. Not going with the default dual
stack setup will cut your users from access to these services.
Eventually we will reach a tipping point, after which IPv4 services
will start to disappear. Also, the devices do not have to do NAT for
IPv6, reducing the load on routers. In todays world, turning on IPv6
will result in more than half of the traffic routing via IPv6
bypassing the NAT. It also future proofs your network.
Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021, Mark Kiwiet wrote:
Inside/Private network space will probably always be IPv4. I don't
understand why you would deal with IPv6 on the inside - you have the
entire freaking
class A of 10.0.0.0/8 to design around - and make beautiful designs
as well.
Unless you're running a NOC or a Web Server Farm - you really don't
need more than 1 Public IP address for even 500+ private surfing
endpoints. Outside of
standard ports like TCP/25 - you can overload a single IP address
with hundreds of high random ports.
Right now - the biggest public IPv4 issue is waste. There are tons
of public IPv4's that are not used because they are part of an
overallocated customer
block.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:51 AM <hostmas...@uneedus.com> wrote:
What expensive technology are you talking about? Windows has
had IPv6
since Windows 2000. Ditto with Apple or Chromebooks or any
other tech
that is commonly used in schools.
Use of RFC1918 Ipv4 addresses is quite common in every school I
have ever
dealt with. Even at the university level, it is very uncommon
to assign
workstations to public IPv4 addresses, and some form of NAT is
used for
IPv4 access via common public addresses with or without a proxy.
Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.
On Fri, 15 Jan 2021, Jay Wendelin wrote:
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> You would have to ask the ISP’s themselves. My Schools will
not want to be involved at all nor will we want to implement new and
expensive
technologies for
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CGNAT techniques and they rely only on keep getting more addresses
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