> On Sep 7, 2021, at 11:34 , Elvis Daniel Velea <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Chris, > >> On Sep 7, 2021, at 11:04, Chris Woodfield <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Don’t forget the the ultimate say does, in fact, lie with the community, in >> that the members of the Board and the Advisory Council are elected by the >> community. > > Allow me to be skeptical about this statement too. I vaguely remember how a > well respected board member was not ‘selected’ for candidacy for re-election > and was not allowed to defend its seat because some group of people made a > decision. This happened just a few years ago and I had quite a few chats with > lots of community members that were outraged to see this is possible. It was > during an ARIN Meeting in Vancouver, in 2018, if my memory serves me well.
Yes, the nominating committee has broad discretion in eliminating candidates from the slate, including incumbents. Also, they are not elected by the community, they are elected by the membership (in both cases, board and AC). As such, the members arguably have ultimate authority. The community has a say, but no actual authority. >> While there’s always the potential for a cynical take on the community’s >> ability to affect meaningful change when needed, I’d hope that any egregious >> policy decisions made by these bodies - decisions that the community agrees >> are not in line with their collective interests - would result in the Board >> and/or AC members responsible for those decisions having a much more >> difficult time with their future re-election campaigns than they would >> otherwise. > > PDP shouldn’t really work this way. Bottom-up either. In the ARIN region, it has been mostly functional as we have generally had both AC and Board members acting in good faith, along with staff doing the same. I will credit John’s long leadership with much of this. While John and I do not always agree, I have to say that he has done an excellent job of preserving this model of governance and ensuring that staff and the others involved in the process are behaving according to the requirements of their office(s). Much like the late senator McCain, though I rarely agreed with him, both “Johns" have given a great many years of good and faithful service to a public that owes them both gratitude and respect. Owen > > /elvis > >> >> -Chris >> >>> On Sep 7, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Fernando Frediani <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Elvis >>> >>> I have the same view as you do. >>> Despite this undertanding (and maybe the Board too - and correct me if I >>> don't reproduce it accuratelly) I refuse the view that "PDP is a concession >>> of the Board to the Community" and - this is what makes it even more >>> controvertial - that 'this does not void ICP-2" due to historical reasons >>> or whatever justification. >>> >>> They are entiteled to their opinion but I do not believe that corrensponds >>> to practical realitty. >>> >>> I sincerelly hope that not only ARIN Board by any other RIR Board never >>> void the bottom-up process and respect the ultimate power of community to >>> choose how policies will be, not the Board unilaterally at their will. >>> >>> Obviouslly this doesn't confuse with the prerrogative of the RIR Board to >>> care about the organization protection and legal protection and I support >>> that including the prerrogative of the Boards to ractify proposals that >>> reached consensus. >>> >>> Regards >>> Fernando >>> >>> On Tue, 7 Sep 2021, 14:10 Elvis Daniel Velea, <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>>> On Sep 7, 2021, at 09:10, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> While the Board delegates the administration of policy development >>>>> routinely to the ARIN AC, but it retains ultimate authority commensurate >>>>> with the responsibility that they must bear for the organization. >>>> >>>> This is a very useful clarification to have available for those who >>>> continue to argue that the community is the ultimate authority on policy >>>> matters. Thank you. >>> >>> Very surprised to see John explain how the bottom-up process works (or not) >>> in ARIN and how much influence the ARIN Board has on policy. >>> >>> I am also extremely surprised to see the difference in PDP between ARIN and >>> the rest of the RIRs as per John’s statement above. >>> >>> Elvis >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >>> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any >>> issues. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >>> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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