> On Sep 15, 2021, at 13:05 , John Curran <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mark - > > In April of this year, we announced a consultation on the matter of > harmonizing ARIN’s fees and many of the issues you raised were discussed at > that time on the ARIN-consult mailing list - > https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-April/date.html > <https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-April/date.html> Yep and despite lots of dissent over the idea, the board chose to proceed anyway.
> As noted in that discussion, 3621 end-user customers will see their fees > decrease as a result of change. 4431 end-users (those with larger IP address > holdings) will see their fees increase. After the fee changes, all customers > will be paying the same fees based on their total IPv4 resources held. That’s little consolation when your one of the people bearing the brunt of providing that subsidy. > Regarding ISP/EU fees distribution, note that ARIN’s expected total fees paid > in 2021 are approximately $21 million – with ISP’s paying the overwhelming > majority of the costs at approximately $17M annually. With ISPs representing the overwhelming majority of resources received and the overwhelming majority of ARIN transactions as well. Owen > > Thanks, > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers > > > > On 15 Sep 2021, at 3:21 PM, Mark McDonald <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Mr. Curran, >> >> It’s unfortunate to learn about ARIN’s proposal to increase our rates by >> 650% from one year to the next from your EMail. It would have been nice to >> receive this when this measure was being proposed. In looking through >> various member forums, it appears we aren’t alone. While I can appreciate >> your desire to standardize rates between End Users and ISP’s, it’s obvious >> that ARIN provides a different set of services for ISP’s as it does End >> Users. For us, ARIN stores < 50k of data in a database - similar to a >> Domain Registration from Network Solutions. They’re somehow able to perform >> these services for about $9/year. ARIN has historically charged us >> $300/year for this service, and is now raising rates by 650% to >> $2000.00/year. And for what? The IPv4 pool is depleted so there is no >> value in attempting to obtain additional IPv4 resources, while IPv6 >> resources are limitless, and are charged accordingly. >> >> For End Users, there are no ongoing SWIP assignments or ongoing actions from >> ARIN that require ARIN’s resources and for those that there are, ARIN >> charges for those services (new assignments, transfers, etc). We maintain >> numerous resources with ARIN through a different ISP account for resources >> used for ISP services and pay fees (and utilize services) accordingly. >> >> When ARIN, or any organizational body, sends out an email stating rates are >> raising 650%, it makes me question how an organization that could do >> something for a a set fee for so long suddenly can’t and needs to implement >> drastic measures to “recoup” these fees. It wreaks of inefficiency as >> ARIN’s number of resources managed is going up, not down and with any >> business, the cost to provide services goes down as the number of customers >> (resources) goes up. >> >> I was trying to look through the ARIN organizational documents and recent >> Annual Reports to see how ARIN’s income is represented (percentage of ISP vs >> End-User, RSP vs Non-RSP) as your Email lacks this important information, >> however I was unable to find this. It would be much appreciated if you >> could provide it. As a user of ARIN’s services, it would be nice to see >> exactly how much of a rate increase this is (increasing ARIN revenue) vs >> standardizing rates, which would re-rate *everybody* (raising some, lowering >> others) so that ARIN’s revenue remained neutral while equally balancing >> costs to provide services. >> >> In owning and operating businesses in the IT space, I’ve always viewed ARIN >> as a fair and equitable organization. Until today. Your email lacked >> critical information that would have shown this as a “standardization of >> rates” vs a rate hike on what appears to be all legacy customers. Perhaps >> the rates ARIN is charging them isn’t too low, but the rates you’re charging >> ISP’s is too high, or perhaps somewhere in between. >> >> From the Emails I’ve already received from other parties this affects, it >> appears the courts will ultimately decide what is legitimate and what is >> not, however I feel this could have all been avoided with better >> communication. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> >> Mark McDonald >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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