Is the overall impact of this fee change revenue neutral, or is this a
total increase or decrease??? If an increase or decrease, by how much?
Also, has anything been done regarding the cost difference per IP address
between those in the smallest brackets, versus the largest brackets. The
last thing I remember is that those in the smallest bracket were paying
over 10x per address versus the largest bracket. Is this still true??
Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021, John Curran wrote:
Mark -
In April of this year, we announced a consultation on the matter of harmonizing
ARIN’s fees and many of the issues you raised were discussed at that time on the
ARIN-consult mailing list -
https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-April/date.html
As noted in that discussion, 3621 end-user customers will see their fees
decrease as a result of change. 4431 end-users (those with larger IP address
holdings) will
see their fees increase. After the fee changes, all customers will be paying
the same fees based on their total IPv4 resources held.
Regarding ISP/EU fees distribution, note that ARIN’s expected total fees paid
in 2021 are approximately $21 million – with ISP’s paying the overwhelming
majority of
the costs at approximately $17M annually.
Thanks,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
On 15 Sep 2021, at 3:21 PM, Mark McDonald <[email protected]> wrote:
Mr. Curran,
It’s unfortunate to learn about ARIN’s proposal to increase our rates by
650% from one year to the next from your EMail. It would have been nice to
receive this when this measure was being proposed. In looking through
various member forums, it appears we aren’t alone. While I can appreciate your
desire to standardize rates between End Users and ISP’s, it’s obvious
that ARIN provides a different set of services for ISP’s as it does End Users.
For
us, ARIN stores < 50k of data in a database - similar to a Domain
Registration from Network Solutions. They’re somehow able to perform these
services for
about $9/year. ARIN has historically charged us $300/year for this
service, and is now raising rates by 650% to $2000.00/year. And for what? The
IPv4
pool is depleted so there is no value in attempting to obtain additional
IPv4 resources, while IPv6 resources are limitless, and are charged accordingly.
For End Users, there are no ongoing SWIP assignments or ongoing actions
from ARIN that require ARIN’s resources and for those that there are, ARIN
charges
for those services (new assignments, transfers, etc). We maintain
numerous resources with ARIN through a different ISP account for resources used
for ISP
services and pay fees (and utilize services) accordingly.
When ARIN, or any organizational body, sends out an email stating rates
are raising 650%, it makes me question how an organization that could do
something
for a a set fee for so long suddenly can’t and needs to implement drastic
measures to “recoup” these fees. It wreaks of inefficiency as ARIN’s number of
resources managed is going up, not down and with any business, the cost
to provide services goes down as the number of customers (resources) goes up.
I was trying to look through the ARIN organizational documents and recent
Annual Reports to see how ARIN’s income is represented (percentage of ISP vs
End-User, RSP vs Non-RSP) as your Email lacks this important information,
however I was unable to find this. It would be much appreciated if you could
provide it. As a user of ARIN’s services, it would be nice to see
exactly how much of a rate increase this is (increasing ARIN revenue) vs
standardizing
rates, which would re-rate *everybody* (raising some, lowering others) so
that ARIN’s revenue remained neutral while equally balancing costs to provide
services.
In owning and operating businesses in the IT space, I’ve always viewed
ARIN as a fair and equitable organization. Until today. Your email lacked
critical information that would have shown this as a “standardization of
rates” vs a rate hike on what appears to be all legacy customers. Perhaps the
rates ARIN is charging them isn’t too low, but the rates you’re charging
ISP’s is too high, or perhaps somewhere in between.
From the Emails I’ve already received from other parties this affects, it
appears the courts will ultimately decide what is legitimate and what is not,
however I feel this could have all been avoided with better communication.
Sincerely,
Mark McDonald
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