Only for an antiquated protocol that should have been retired over a decade ago.
The costs for IPv6 are not rising as you describe. Owen > On Sep 15, 2021, at 23:14 , [email protected] wrote: > > On the other side of the coin, before deploying my AS and requesting > resources as a 2xsmall, I was paying $75/mo for a /28 of v4. Now, I pay > effectively $41.67/mo for a /24 and a /36 of v6. I saw a significant cost > savings by deploying my own network address. > > I would like to point out, however, that it is ultimately the regular old end > user who bears the brunt of the cost increases associated with IP addresses > becoming commoditized in the fashion that they have. In theory, network > capacity should grow while cost should go down for the consumer over time, > yet IP commoditization and trading seems to fire the retro rockets on this > premise, as one of the fundamental components of regular old internet service > is seeing a significant cost increase. > > > > On Wed, 15 Sep 2021, Steven Ryerse wrote: > >> +1 The little guy frequently gets hosed in resource allocations. . . . . >> >> >> Steven Ryerse >> President >> >> [email protected] | C: 770.656.1460 >> 100 Ashford Center North | Suite 110 | Atlanta, Georgia 30338 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> On Behalf Of >> [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 6:47 PM >> To: Mark McDonald <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Open Letter Regarding 650% Rate-Hike for Legacy >> Users >> >> I think he is saying the categories did not change. He never said that >> everyone pays the same. For as long as I can remember, us little ones pay >> LOTS more per IP than the big guys. When this is brought up, they always >> point out those large guys pay a whole lot more than us. What they fail to >> consider is that they ALSO get a better price per IP. As the example you >> noted, they are paying 64 times LESS per IP than your /19. >> >> I have always considered that unfair. >> >> Albert Erdmann >> Network Administrator >> Paradise On Line Inc. >> >> On Wed, 15 Sep 2021, Mark McDonald wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> We must be looking at different fee charts. Can you send me the one >>> you’re referring to? We hold a /19 and fall under the “Small” service >>> category, paying roughly $0.12/IP/Year. Right off the bat, we’re in >>> the same service category as someone holding a /18, so we’re paying twice >>> as much per IPv4 Resource as them - but wait, it gets much, much better. >>> Those holding a /8 are paying $0.0038/IP/Year - *64X* less than our company >>> per IPv4 resource. Someone over there failed math class if the goal was to >>> level the costs among all users. >>> >>> If ARIN’s goal is to get everyone paying the same per/resource, our bill >>> should go down to $31.13/year so we’re paying the same per resource as >>> those issued /8’s. >>> For an organization that’s trying to promote IP conservation, your metrics >>> show you’re promoting the opposite - the larger the block, the less I pay. >>> >>> I broke it all down for you here: >>> >>> CIDR Number of IP's Service Category Fee Fee per/IPv4 (Resource) % of >>> full cost (/24) per/resource >>> /24 256 3X-Small $250.00 $0.9766 >>> /23 512 2X-Small $500.00 $0.9766 100.00% >>> /22 1,024 2X-Small $500.00 $0.4883 50.00% >>> /21 2,048 X-Small $1,000.00 $0.4883 50.00% >>> /20 4,096 X-Small $1,000.00 $0.2441 25.00% >>> /19 8,192 Small $2,000.00 $0.2441 25.00% >>> /18 16,384 Small $2,000.00 $0.1221 12.50% >>> /17 32,768 Medium $4,000.00 $0.1221 12.50% >>> /16 65,536 Medium $4,000.00 $0.0610 6.25% >>> /15 131,072 Large $8,000.00 $0.0610 6.25% >>> /14 262,144 Large $8,000.00 $0.0305 3.13% >>> /13 524,288 X-Large $16,000.00 $0.0305 3.13% >>> /12 1,048,576 X-Large $16,000.00 $0.0153 1.56% >>> /11 2,097,152 2X-Large $32,000.00 $0.0153 1.56% >>> /10 4,194,304 2X-Large $32,000.00 $0.0076 0.78% >>> /9 8,388,608 3X-Large $64,000.00 $0.0076 0.78% >>> /8 16,777,216 3X-Large $64,000.00 $0.0038 0.39% >>> /7 33,554,432 4X-Large $128,000.00 $0.0038 0.39% >>> /6 67,108,864 4X-Large $128,000.00 $0.0019 0.20% >>> >>> I sincerely hope ARIN re-thinks this before implementation. That’s what >>> would be fair and equitable for all. >>> >>> -Mark McDonald >>> President/CEO >>> Siteserver, Inc. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 15, 2021, at 1:05 PM, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Mark - >>> >>> In April of this year, we announced a consultation on the matter of >>> harmonizing ARIN’s fees and many of the issues you raised were >>> discussed at that time on the ARIN-consult mailing list - >>> https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-April/date.html >>> >>> As noted in that discussion, 3621 end-user customers will see their >>> fees decrease as a result of change. 4431 end-users (those with larger IP >>> address holdings) will see their fees increase. After the fee changes, all >>> customers will be paying the same fees based on their total IPv4 resources >>> held. >>> >>> Regarding ISP/EU fees distribution, note that ARIN’s expected total >>> fees paid in 2021 are approximately $21 million – with ISP’s paying the >>> overwhelming majority of the costs at approximately $17M annually. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> /John >>> >>> John Curran >>> President and CEO >>> American Registry for Internet Numbers >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15 Sep 2021, at 3:21 PM, Mark McDonald <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Mr. Curran, >>> >>> It’s unfortunate to learn about ARIN’s proposal to increase our rates >>> by 650% from one year to the next from your EMail. It would have been nice >>> to >>> receive this when this measure was being proposed. In looking through >>> various member forums, it appears we aren’t alone. While I can appreciate >>> your desire to standardize rates between End Users and ISP’s, it’s >>> obvious that ARIN provides a different set of services for ISP’s as it does >>> End >>> Users. For us, ARIN stores < 50k of data in a database - similar to a >>> Domain Registration from Network Solutions. They’re somehow able to perform >>> these services for about $9/year. ARIN has historically charged us >>> $300/year for this service, and is now raising rates by 650% to >>> $2000.00/year. >>> And for what? The IPv4 pool is depleted so there is no value in >>> attempting to obtain additional IPv4 resources, while IPv6 resources are >>> limitless, and are charged accordingly. >>> >>> For End Users, there are no ongoing SWIP assignments or ongoing >>> actions from ARIN that require ARIN’s resources and for those that there >>> are, ARIN >>> charges for those services (new assignments, transfers, etc). We >>> maintain numerous resources with ARIN through a different ISP account for >>> resources used for ISP services and pay fees (and utilize services) >>> accordingly. >>> >>> When ARIN, or any organizational body, sends out an email stating >>> rates are raising 650%, it makes me question how an organization that could >>> do >>> something for a a set fee for so long suddenly can’t and needs to >>> implement drastic measures to “recoup” these fees. It wreaks of >>> inefficiency as >>> ARIN’s number of resources managed is going up, not down and with any >>> business, the cost to provide services goes down as the number of customers >>> (resources) goes up. >>> >>> I was trying to look through the ARIN organizational documents and >>> recent Annual Reports to see how ARIN’s income is represented (percentage >>> of ISP >>> vs End-User, RSP vs Non-RSP) as your Email lacks this important >>> information, however I was unable to find this. It would be much >>> appreciated if you >>> could provide it. As a user of ARIN’s services, it would be nice to >>> see exactly how much of a rate increase this is (increasing ARIN revenue) vs >>> standardizing rates, which would re-rate *everybody* (raising some, >>> lowering others) so that ARIN’s revenue remained neutral while equally >>> balancing >>> costs to provide services. >>> >>> In owning and operating businesses in the IT space, I’ve always viewed >>> ARIN as a fair and equitable organization. Until today. Your email lacked >>> critical information that would have shown this as a “standardization >>> of rates” vs a rate hike on what appears to be all legacy customers. >>> Perhaps >>> the rates ARIN is charging them isn’t too low, but the rates you’re >>> charging ISP’s is too high, or perhaps somewhere in between. >>> >>> From the Emails I’ve already received from other parties this affects, >>> it appears the courts will ultimately decide what is legitimate and what is >>> not, however I feel this could have all been avoided with better >>> communication. >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark McDonald >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> CAUTION: This email originated from outside the organization. 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