Completely agree… There was no expectation that this would become policy. The point was to clarify the arguments against leasing and get the discussion going in a more useful direction.
It has achieved that goal and provoked generally the exact reaction(s) expected, especially from ARIN counsel. Owen > On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:23 , Middleton, Stephen R > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Owen, > > "...effectively prevent all LIRs from engaging in leasing transactions or > (sur)charging on the basis of the number of IP number resources issued." > > This should be more accurately stated as "...effectively prevent all > ARIN-based LIRs from engaging in leasing transactions or (sur)charging on the > basis of the number of IP number resources issued." Do you know if other > RIRs prevent the leasing, surcharging, or both of IP addresses? How would > 'out of region' leases be handled? What would stop a company from > transferring ARIN-based IP addresses to an RIR that allows leasing and then > engaging in that business model from that point forward? > > What would prevent a company from charging a fee based on some other > datapoint; a service fee, a static configuration fee, an engineering fee, > etc., that, in effect, replaces the term 'IP Surcharge'? > > I'm afraid that I must agree with Michel. I see no effective way of > enforcing this policy, either regionally or globally. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > <http://www.verizon.com/> > > Stephen R. Middleton, Sr. > Princ Engr-Ntwk Engring > Network Engineering and Ops > > 22001 Loudoun County Parkway; F1-2-277 > Ashburn, VA 20147 > > Office 703.694.6965 > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <http://www.facebook.com/verizon> <http://twitter.com/verizon> > <http://www.linkedin.com/company/verizon> > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 12:49 PM Michel Py via ARIN-PPML <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Owen DeLong wrote : > > Policy Proposal Name: Ban IP Number Resource Leasing in the ARIN Region > > Besides the scope and similar issues : > > In utopia, I would support this. > But in the real world, it's not realistic. ARIN would not be able to enforce > such thing, and it may be a double-edge sword. > > Besides the point, let's assume that, beating impossible odds, we manage to > amend the US constitution to ban IP leasing in the US. > [Let's conveniently forget that it would be opposed by powerful companies > with very deep pockets that own half of the lobbyists in town] > > Would it stop it ? no. We would instantly create a black market and make a > modern-day Al Capone. > > Michel. > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.arin.net_mailman_listinfo_arin-2Dppml&d=DwICAg&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=qHo2GIn81kivzhIirsucemI9zpqPmcnNcys3SGyngfc&s=QkTk2XWhc8-734qkdbRH8t_UNnDndy66QLc9LHLzyrs&e= > > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.arin.net_mailman_listinfo_arin-2Dppml&d=DwICAg&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=qHo2GIn81kivzhIirsucemI9zpqPmcnNcys3SGyngfc&s=QkTk2XWhc8-734qkdbRH8t_UNnDndy66QLc9LHLzyrs&e=> > > Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any > issues.
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