You must be this tall to engage in rent seeking and are free to do it at any gouge you wish: Acceptable. You cannot rent seek regardless of height: not acceptable.
Got it. > On Sep 22, 2021, at 11:53 , John Curran <[email protected]> wrote: > > Fernando - > > Discussions regarding the policy that ARIN uses for administration of the > registry is perfectly fine, and that includes any applicable policy regarding > issuance and maintenance of IP address blocks. The area of concern is > discussions considering limitations on terms/conditions/pricing of services > that might be offered by ARIN’s customers to their customers - it is not > ARIN’s role to set such terms. > > Examples: > > Unacceptable > “You must/must-not offer service _X_ to your customers” Unacceptable – > not within ARIN’s remit. > “You must/must-not charge your customers for service _Y_ ” Unacceptable – > not within ARIN’s remit. > > Acceptable > “IP address space must be used to provide connectivity services to customers > to be considered to be in “operational use” Acceptable – if the community > were to decide to establish such policy. > “Organizations must reflect in the ARIN registry all issuance to a single > customer of /29 of IPv4 address space or larger." Acceptable – if the > community were to decide to establish such policy. > > Does this help clarify? > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers > > > >> On 22 Sep 2021, at 1:55 PM, Fernando Frediani <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hi John >> >> I don't think anyone discussing this thread is much concerned about pricing >> of services between ARIN participants and their customers really. I am >> personally not. The confusion may have come from the way Owen have put the >> text of this proposal. >> What we are discussing so far is only about a proposal to have an >> appropriate language to ban Leasing of IP Addresses by LIRs. >> >> Hope this helps to clarify >> >> Regards >> Fernando >> >> Em 22/09/2021 14:48, John Curran escreveu: >>> Fernando - >>> >>> Michael was 100% correct - do not engage in discussions of pricing or other >>> terms of service between ARIN participants and their customers. Doing so is >>> prohibited by US antitrust law and ARIN will not be a party to facilitating >>> such discussions. >>> >>> Participants who attempt to violate applicable law in this manner will be >>> expressly removed from ARIN mailing lists in order to protect the remainder >>> of the community that is able to participate properly. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> /John >>> >>> John Curran >>> President and CEO >>> American Registry for Internet Numbers >>> >>>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Fernando Frediani <[email protected]> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I believe maybe Michael didn't understand well the matter fully or got >>>> only part of it. >>>> Probably what caused more confusion was how Owen put the part "No >>>> signatory to any ARIN RSA is permitted by policy to engage in a recurring >>>> charge for addresses or a differentiated service charge based on the >>>> number if addresses issued to a customer.". That could be dubious in the >>>> sense that a LIR could not charge administrative fees when they assign >>>> addresses to their connectivity customers. >>>> >>>> A simple: "No signatory to any ARIN RSA is permitted by policy to engage >>>> issuing addresses to non-conectivity customers. Addresses must be provided >>>> strictly as part of a contract for connectivity services." >>>> >>>> I think Owen tried to put in a way to strengthen his point of view the LIR >>>> lease addresses and by that text they would not permitted to do even for >>>> connectivity customers.Simplifying it would achieve the objective in the >>>> subject without necessarily change the usual way LIRs allocate addresses >>>> to their *connectivity customers*. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Fernando >>>> >>>> On 22/09/2021 13:00, Isaiah Olson wrote: >>>>> Hi Michael, >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate you clarifying this issue. If this policy proposal is >>>>> considered out of scope, I would ask why Mike's policy proposal to >>>>> explicitly allow leasing is considered in-scope for this PDP? If it is >>>>> ARIN's position that it "does not impose any such restrictions on trade >>>>> or pricing" with regards to pricing structure, why does ARIN >>>>> differentiate justified need for transfers (trade) based on the absence >>>>> or presence of connectivity services? >>>>> >>>>> I am happy to dispatch with any discussions that are not relevant or >>>>> allowed, but I think that your post requires additional clarification of >>>>> what topics are not permissible since many of the issues you have raised >>>>> as out of scope are germane to other policies under discussion. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Isaiah >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ARIN-PPML >>>>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>>>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>). >>>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>>>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>>>> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >>>>> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any >>>>> issues. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ARIN-PPML >>>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>). >>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>>> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >>>> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any >>>> issues. >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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