Are you saying this thread may be stricken from the archives? I think that would be a travesty and unwarranted.
Owen > On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:58 , John Sweeting <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Fernando and others, > > Please use the thread for 2021-06 for discussing opinions on leasing as this > proposal will not be accepted as valid and therefore we might lose any > comments posted in this thread. > > Thanks, > > John Sweeting > CCO > American Registry for Internet Numbers > > From: ARIN-PPML <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Fernando Frediani > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM > To: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Proposal to ban Leasing of IP Addresses in the ARIN > region > > Hi John > > I don't think anyone discussing this thread is much concerned about pricing > of services between ARIN participants and their customers really. I am > personally not. The confusion may have come from the way Owen have put the > text of this proposal. > What we are discussing so far is only about a proposal to have an appropriate > language to ban Leasing of IP Addresses by LIRs. > > Hope this helps to clarify > > Regards > Fernando > > Em 22/09/2021 14:48, John Curran escreveu: > Fernando - > > Michael was 100% correct - do not engage in discussions of pricing or other > terms of service between ARIN participants and their customers. Doing so is > prohibited by US antitrust law and ARIN will not be a party to facilitating > such discussions. > > Participants who attempt to violate applicable law in this manner will be > expressly removed from ARIN mailing lists in order to protect the remainder > of the community that is able to participate properly. > > Thanks, > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers > > > On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Fernando Frediani <[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > > I believe maybe Michael didn't understand well the matter fully or got only > part of it. > Probably what caused more confusion was how Owen put the part "No signatory > to any ARIN RSA is permitted by policy to engage in a recurring charge for > addresses or a differentiated service charge based on the number if addresses > issued to a customer.". That could be dubious in the sense that a LIR could > not charge administrative fees when they assign addresses to their > connectivity customers. > > A simple: "No signatory to any ARIN RSA is permitted by policy to engage > issuing addresses to non-conectivity customers. Addresses must be provided > strictly as part of a contract for connectivity services." > > I think Owen tried to put in a way to strengthen his point of view the LIR > lease addresses and by that text they would not permitted to do even for > connectivity customers.Simplifying it would achieve the objective in the > subject without necessarily change the usual way LIRs allocate addresses to > their *connectivity customers*. > > Regards > Fernando > > On 22/09/2021 13:00, Isaiah Olson wrote: > Hi Michael, > > I appreciate you clarifying this issue. If this policy proposal is considered > out of scope, I would ask why Mike's policy proposal to explicitly allow > leasing is considered in-scope for this PDP? If it is ARIN's position that it > "does not impose any such restrictions on trade or pricing" with regards to > pricing structure, why does ARIN differentiate justified need for transfers > (trade) based on the absence or presence of connectivity services? > > I am happy to dispatch with any discussions that are not relevant or allowed, > but I think that your post requires additional clarification of what topics > are not permissible since many of the issues you have raised as out of scope > are germane to other policies under discussion. > > Thanks, > Isaiah > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> > Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any > issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> > Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any > issues. > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> > Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any > issues.
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