AH… Thanks for that clarification. I’ve updated the subject line just in case for future messages in this thread to make that simpler.
Owen > On Sep 22, 2021, at 19:38 , John Sweeting <[email protected]> wrote: > > Absolutely not Owen but the opinions shared might not be found when > referencing the 2021-06 thread. There has been a lot of cross posting between > the two threads. These emails will be in the archives. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:31 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Are you saying this thread may be stricken from the archives? I think that >> would be a travesty and unwarranted. >> >> Owen >> >> >>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 10:58 , John Sweeting <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Fernando and others, >>> >>> Please use the thread for 2021-06 for discussing opinions on leasing as >>> this proposal will not be accepted as valid and therefore we might lose any >>> comments posted in this thread. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John Sweeting >>> CCO >>> American Registry for Internet Numbers >>> >>> From: ARIN-PPML <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Fernando Frediani >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM >>> To: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Proposal to ban Leasing of IP Addresses in the >>> ARIN region >>> >>> Hi John >>> >>> I don't think anyone discussing this thread is much concerned about pricing >>> of services between ARIN participants and their customers really. I am >>> personally not. The confusion may have come from the way Owen have put the >>> text of this proposal. >>> What we are discussing so far is only about a proposal to have an >>> appropriate language to ban Leasing of IP Addresses by LIRs. >>> >>> Hope this helps to clarify >>> >>> Regards >>> Fernando >>> >>> Em 22/09/2021 14:48, John Curran escreveu: >>> Fernando - >>> >>> Michael was 100% correct - do not engage in discussions of pricing or other >>> terms of service between ARIN participants and their customers. Doing so is >>> prohibited by US antitrust law and ARIN will not be a party to facilitating >>> such discussions. >>> >>> Participants who attempt to violate applicable law in this manner will be >>> expressly removed from ARIN mailing lists in order to protect the remainder >>> of the community that is able to participate properly. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> /John >>> >>> John Curran >>> President and CEO >>> American Registry for Internet Numbers >>> >>> >>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Fernando Frediani <[email protected]> >>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I believe maybe Michael didn't understand well the matter fully or got only >>> part of it. >>> Probably what caused more confusion was how Owen put the part "No signatory >>> to any ARIN RSA is permitted by policy to engage in a recurring charge for >>> addresses or a differentiated service charge based on the number if >>> addresses issued to a customer.". That could be dubious in the sense that a >>> LIR could not charge administrative fees when they assign addresses to >>> their connectivity customers. >>> >>> A simple: "No signatory to any ARIN RSA is permitted by policy to engage >>> issuing addresses to non-conectivity customers. Addresses must be provided >>> strictly as part of a contract for connectivity services." >>> >>> I think Owen tried to put in a way to strengthen his point of view the LIR >>> lease addresses and by that text they would not permitted to do even for >>> connectivity customers.Simplifying it would achieve the objective in the >>> subject without necessarily change the usual way LIRs allocate addresses to >>> their *connectivity customers*. >>> >>> Regards >>> Fernando >>> >>> On 22/09/2021 13:00, Isaiah Olson wrote: >>> Hi Michael, >>> >>> I appreciate you clarifying this issue. If this policy proposal is >>> considered out of scope, I would ask why Mike's policy proposal to >>> explicitly allow leasing is considered in-scope for this PDP? If it is >>> ARIN's position that it "does not impose any such restrictions on trade or >>> pricing" with regards to pricing structure, why does ARIN differentiate >>> justified need for transfers (trade) based on the absence or presence of >>> connectivity services? >>> >>> I am happy to dispatch with any discussions that are not relevant or >>> allowed, but I think that your post requires additional clarification of >>> what topics are not permissible since many of the issues you have raised as >>> out of scope are germane to other policies under discussion. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Isaiah >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >>> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any >>> issues. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >>> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any >>> issues. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >>> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any >>> issues. >>
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