Hi Stephen Yeah I see and agree with what you mean about personal level discussions which differs from Internet Governance and Policy Development topics.
Best regards Fernando On Fri, 10 Jun 2022, 15:49 Middleton, Stephen R, < stephen.r.middle...@verizon.com> wrote: > Hello Fernando, > > I agree, the topic of vote buying and similar is worthy of discussion as > it could lead to or shape a policy discussion. But is it worthy to discuss > ARIN members on a personal level? I think the topic got into the weeds > fairly quickly. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > [image: Verizon] <http://www.verizon.com/> > > > Stephen R. Middleton, Sr. > Princ Engr-Ntwk Engring > Network Engineering and Ops > > 22001 Loudoun County Parkway; F1-2-277 > Ashburn, VA 20147 > > Office 703.694.6965 > stephen.r.middle...@one.verizon.com > > > > [image: Facebook] <http://www.facebook.com/verizon> [image: Twitter] > <http://twitter.com/verizon> [image: LinkedIn] > <http://www.linkedin.com/company/verizon> > > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 2:27 PM Fernando Frediani <fhfredi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hello Stephen >> >> Although I am not much involved in this discussion, although I commented >> I have to say that I often see this type of questioning in the list and I >> personally don't see the list exclusively to discuss policies, but anything >> that may have to do with them and with this Policy Development Discussion >> ecosystem we are all involved. >> >> People participating here take in consideration a lot of details to form >> their opinion and discuss about the proposed policies and anything that may >> have to do with an attack against a RIR, a tentative of manipulation of the >> process being the PDP or election to the Board or any RIR that may also >> happen in this one should be of the concern of everybody involved, so they >> can have more information to form their opinion regarding the effects of >> each proposal that is presented here and its possible effects. >> >> Finally and not less important, although we have Regional RIRs the >> effects of trouble happening in other RIRs have the potential to affect how >> things work for all others and by consequence the whole of Internet, so >> another reason is good that people participating in the this list get this >> related information to take in account when discussing any proposed >> policies and also if that kind of trouble could also happen here. >> >> Best regards >> Fernando >> On 10/06/2022 15:08, Middleton, Stephen R via ARIN-PPML wrote: >> >> Greetings, >> >> >> Not meaning to be a wet blanket but which ARIN policy is this discussion >> in relation to? I seem to recall that the PPML List is to "provide a >> forum to raise and discuss policy-related ideas and issues surrounding >> existing and proposed ARIN policies." >> >> Perhaps the community would be better served if the current >> conversation to a forum more focused on the topic being discussed? >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> >> [image: Verizon] <http://www.verizon.com/> >> >> >> Stephen R. Middleton, Sr. >> Princ Engr-Ntwk Engring >> Network Engineering and Ops >> >> 22001 Loudoun County Parkway; F1-2-277 >> Ashburn, VA 20147 >> >> Office 703.694.6965 >> stephen.r.middle...@one.verizon.com >> >> >> >> [image: Facebook] >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.facebook.com_verizon&d=DwMDaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=GF0qF-lOJRTPuiiHhL1cfyZ23W4ZbnDlJQaCsCkNTTDtio02FWtmW58i1iU1zp_Y&s=nneOQM-Ypvhyq4x-mbhACdzpWEcRXcX_qy40X_mDhIY&e=> >> [image: Twitter] >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__twitter.com_verizon&d=DwMDaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=GF0qF-lOJRTPuiiHhL1cfyZ23W4ZbnDlJQaCsCkNTTDtio02FWtmW58i1iU1zp_Y&s=XNmmdi5Sww7Yb6VMKZN48rsTsTjwWbmXHBUgHTdBhN4&e=> >> [image: LinkedIn] >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.linkedin.com_company_verizon&d=DwMDaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=GF0qF-lOJRTPuiiHhL1cfyZ23W4ZbnDlJQaCsCkNTTDtio02FWtmW58i1iU1zp_Y&s=wQjVyOYAQsqp3gOqzm9Kaq0idYRmPtZmurjpo7kjoJ0&e=> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 12:14 PM Omo Oaiya <kod...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 16:29, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML < >>> arin-ppml@arin.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 10, 2022, at 05:22 , Noah <n...@neo.co.tz> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 00:19 Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML, < >>>> arin-ppml@arin.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes, there’s no secret that I am a consultant to Cloud Innovation and >>>>> Larus, Ltd. >>>> >>>> >>>> True story. >>>> >>>> However, I have no involvement or affiliation with NRS and >>>>> no desire to have same. >>>> >>>> >>>> Internet archives never forget. >>>> >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013810.html >>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.afrinic.net_pipermail_rpd_2021_013810.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=9sw9nyzLNUg6DZYGzlnK8WkqhJdEJxryDRavaNpfwNMSxaa79ZFZWW8vRTN-vlYl&s=5PsHZ_THYKyYMRd4pt-OSXUfkvjCuV2Pd1MZ9CSLcuI&e=> >>>> >>>> On that thread, your response was in full defence of NRS as you really >>>> went on to explaib what they are all about as though you had insider >>>> knowledge of the organization. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Noah >>>> >>>> >>>> Nope… It was a statement against certain misinformation being >>>> promulgated by you at the time. >>>> >>>> It was based on the publicly available record at the time and not any >>>> internal knowledge or affiliation with NRS. >>>> >>>> I don’t agree with lots of things Larus is doing/has done, but I’m >>>> supporting them in their law suits because I believe the board and staff >>>> are just plain wrong in their effort to revoke their membership based on a >>>> plain text reading of the provisions cited by the board and staff in their >>>> various affidavits and correspondence. >>>> >>>> Facts are facts. When I see misinformation and/or disinformation, I >>>> will tend to speak out against it, even when I don’t agree with or support >>>> the party being attacked. >>>> >>> >>> These would have to be alternative facts from your track record on the >>> AFRINIC lists :-) >>> >>> Omo >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.arin.net_mailman_listinfo_arin-2Dppml&d=DwICAg&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=9sw9nyzLNUg6DZYGzlnK8WkqhJdEJxryDRavaNpfwNMSxaa79ZFZWW8vRTN-vlYl&s=PhELEmVQxYaj0w5Y14ZaHW2wj2e6nZRqcQn__FbBgtA&e= >>> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription >> at:https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.arin.net_mailman_listinfo_arin-2Dppml&d=DwMDaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=GF0qF-lOJRTPuiiHhL1cfyZ23W4ZbnDlJQaCsCkNTTDtio02FWtmW58i1iU1zp_Y&s=kzafZTNqvWYBOJT-fEUDNkYzkZfk0-OxacAJtT_FlLA&e=> >> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.arin.net_mailman_listinfo_arin-2Dppml&d=DwICAg&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=GF0qF-lOJRTPuiiHhL1cfyZ23W4ZbnDlJQaCsCkNTTDtio02FWtmW58i1iU1zp_Y&s=kzafZTNqvWYBOJT-fEUDNkYzkZfk0-OxacAJtT_FlLA&e= >> Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. >> >
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