+1 Completely agree with this.
Michael On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 07:33 Fernando Frediani <[email protected]> wrote: > You can only lease what you own. What people are trying to do here is > pretend they own the resources and earn money with an asset they don't own > despite everything that what IP addresses have always meant for. > > IP leasing is an attestation that the resource holder doesn't justify for > those resources anymore, therefore they should be revoked and assigned to > someone else who really justifies for it. ARIN should use any financial and > legal resources it has to invest in a efficient reclamation process in > order to keep its missing to assign shared resources to those who really > need them to build internet infrastructure, not do those who wish to > speculate around IP space. > > Fernando > On 08/05/2023 01:40, Ron Grant wrote: > > Pitch perfect points herein: > - Transfer market already successful > - Avoids a "highly litigious reclamation process" > - Leasing is a natural evolution of the Transfer process > - Section 12 allows both for a reclamation due to misuse, and for a green > light after 5 years. > > I withdraw my initial "can o' worms" objection - when likening them to > transfers, it looks like we already have controls in place. > > > On 2023-05-07 3:08 p.m., David Farmer via ARIN-PPML wrote: > > In my opinion, the 60-month probation on transfers in section 4.1.8 is > intended to prevent immediate monetization through the transfer market of > IPv4 resources obtained from the waiting list. Allowing the lease of IPv4 > resources obtained from the waiting list prior to the end of the 60-month > probation would seem to flaunt the intent of the probation. However, once > past the 60-month probation, allowing the transfer or lease of IPv4 > resources seems consistent with the policies intent. > > I would like to point out that the transfer market has been remarkably > successful in making IPv4 resources voluntarily available that otherwise > would not have been available or would have required a highly > litigious reclamation process to be made available. In addition, leasing > seems to be a natural evolution of the transfer market for those that do > not have the capital funding to obtain IPv4 resources on the transfer > market. Finally, despite a few issues, the waiting list has also been > remarkably successful at ensuring any IPv4 resources returned to ARIN, for > whatever reason, are redistributed to the ARIN community. > > Suggestions that ARIN should instead auction the waiting list resources, > while seemingly logical, given the success of the transfer market, > nevertheless seem incompatible with ARIN's not-for-profit status. > > In summary, leasing IPv4 resources obtained from the waiting list after > the 60-month probation should be allowed. Prior to that, leasing should not > be allowed. How we effectively enforce that is another question entirely, > and I personally don't have any good answers to that question. > > Thanks > > On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 10:54 AM WOOD Alison * DAS < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Good morning PPML! >> >> >> >> I would like community feedback on the leasing of ip space that is >> obtained from the waitlist. Please let me know what you think and if a >> policy proposal would be warranted. >> >> >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> >> -Alison >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> > > > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:[email protected] > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/2218+University+Ave+SE?entry=gmail&source=g> > Phone: 612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > =============================================== > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription > at:https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > -- > Ron Grant > Balan Software/Networks > Network Architecture & Programming > 604-737-2113 > ca.linkedin.com/in/obiron > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription > at:https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile
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