I think one or the other would be fine in light of the other comments. On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 2:01 PM Brian Jones <bjo...@vt.edu> wrote:
> Thank you for the input Martin. Do you feel strongly about changing from > LIR to ISP, or would you be okay either way as long as the definition is > clear that they are interchangeable? Thank you again for the feedback and > discussion points, they are very much appreciated. > > > Brian Jones > ARIN Advisory Council (NRPM *Working Group*) > > > > On Dec 5, 2023, at 8:53 PM, Martin Hannigan <hanni...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 18:11 John Santos <j...@egh.com> wrote: > >> I agree with Dale (I think). ISPs do a lot more than just register >> Internet >> addresses, but their interaction with ARIN and the NRPM is under their >> function >> as an Internet Registry (allocating and registering addresses for their >> customers), so they are a special case of LIR. If the term LIR is used >> most >> commonly by other regions and their definition of LIR is similar to >> ARIN's, then >> I think "LIR" should be used in the NRPM, even if it requires more >> single-point >> changes. >> > > ISPs assign “to” their customers, but semantics. > > >> If everyone agrees that the terms ISP and LIR, as used in the NRPM, are >> equivalent, then substituting one for the other is a purely editorial >> change, >> not a policy change. >> > > Staff or engineering also seems to equate LIR with ISP and vice versa. > It’s noted on the web tool when requesting v4 or v6 resources as “LIR/ISP” > > In order for it not to be perceived as a policy change ISP seems to be the > right term. On a per ARIN region per ASN basis (individual network vs. > address holdings volume implying international) I believe most network > operators in North America don’t use the LIR acronym at all. If it wasn’t a > cultural change I’d agree with you re: the terms being the same. However, > it’s more confusing to redact ISP than LIR. When examining section 10, > there are also no conflicts since neither term is used. Other than global > policy, I don’t think it’s terrible necessary to be “similar” to the other > regions. This particular issue doesn’t seem that important. > > I’m +1 removing LIR. > > Warm regards, > > -M< > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact i...@arin.net if you experience any issues. > > >
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