Very good. Thank you Owen for detailing your explanation. This is very helpful.


Brian Jones
ARIN Advisory Council (NRPM Working Group)




> On Dec 12, 2023, at 2:18 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> ISP is a very ambiguous term which carries a lot of different connotations to 
> different people, most of which don’t describe the full range of ARIN member 
> LIRs.
> 
> LIRs include cloud providers, CDNs, certain government entities, colocation 
> facilities, “eyeball” providers, backbone providers, tunnel/vpn service 
> providers, SDWAN providers, SAAS providers, etc.
> 
> Sure, most of those could be called an ISP under some definition of the term, 
> but would be excluded from the term in many other people’s minds. Best to 
> avoid the quagmire of ambiguity and talk in terms of what ARIN is actually 
> concerned about, which is the local registration of addresses to other 
> entities (whether internal, external, or both). As such, yes, I have a strong 
> belief that LIR is a term better suited to ARIN policy as it is both more 
> descriptive of the bodies being described and more relatable to the policy 
> intent.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2023, at 11:05, Brian Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you for the feedback Owen. It seems you have a strong leaning toward 
>> the LIR term over the term ISP, would you care to tell me more about why you 
>> feel the term LIR is the better choice? Thank you agin for the valuable 
>> input and feedback. It is greatly appreciated by myself and the NRPM working 
>> group.
>> 
>> 
>> Brian Jones
>> ARIN Advisory Council (NRPM Working Group)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2023, at 5:10 AM, Owen DeLong <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is a step in the wrong direction… If you’re going to unify the 
>>> terminology, ISP->LIR would be the better choice.
>> 
> 

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