Paul - I recall indeed - and also noted at the time that one straightforward way to achieve this was a simple “doing business as” entry.
If you don’t recall why that wasn’t possible, then that’s fine – and I’m glad you were able to work it out in the end. Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers > On Apr 17, 2025, at 2:58 PM, Paul E McNary <[email protected]> wrote: > > All I know ARIN wouldn't accept my information until they had a verifiable > entry in the Missouri Secretary of State database. At a WISPA meeting I > directly addressed this with you, John and you said the business had to be > verifiable in the Secretary of State database. > All ARIN employees I interacted with at the time said the same. > You asked if anyone had been harmed, I answered YES and explained. > I am semi retired now. It is my Son's to deal with now. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Curran <[email protected]> > To: Ryan Hamel <[email protected]> > Cc: arin-ppml <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 19:34:25 -0500 (CDT) > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals > > Ryan - > > Indeed. As both myself (and Bill Herrin) have pointed out a few times in > this discussion, ARIN already has flexibility in this regard and we do have > sole proprietorships that enter into agreements and obtain number resources. > Sole proprietorship works, DBA name registration works, incorporation of a > legal entity works – hence the reason for further discussion in order to gain > a better understanding of the problem to be solved. > > Thanks, > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers > > > On Apr 16, 2025, at 8:16 PM, Ryan Hamel <[email protected]> wrote: > > John, > > I echo David's point coming from California. My ARIN resources are under my > legal name, which was approved by the team that handles org tickets, and the > legal team. > > A sole proprietor without a DBA, can legally conduct business in several > states and potentially provinces too, and that also includes signing ARIN's > agreements. > > Kind regards, > > Ryan Hamel > ________________________________ > From: ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> on behalf of David Farmer via > ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 4:58:48 PM > To: John Curran <[email protected]> > Cc: arin-ppml <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals > > Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please take care > when clicking links or opening attachments. > > John, > > The issue is in Missouri, Minnesota, and probably many other states; if you > are doing business under your own name and not a DBA, you don't need to > register with the state to operate a sole proprietorship. > > So, if ARIN procedures require a lookup with the Secretary of State, > effectively, that requires more than just operating as a business; it also > requires operating that business under a fictitious name, not under the > owner's name. > > Section 9 of the NRPM gives a lot of latitude for demonstrating that an > organization operates within the ARIN region. A similar amount of latitude > should be available to establish that an individual is acting as a business > and not an individual, even if the jurisdiction's laws and procedures don't > neatly align with ARIN procedures. > > Thanks > > On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 6:04 PM John Curran > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > On Apr 16, 2025, at 6:02 PM, Paul E McNary > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Originally > 12 years ago when I tried to get ARIN resources, I was greatly harmed by this. > In Missouri at that time a Sole Proprietor did not have to register with the > Secretary of State. > ARIN would not issue resources unless they could verify you with Secretary of > State database. > We had a State Sales Tax and Employment Tax ID for 20 years, but that wasn't > good enough. > > Paul - > > To be certain there’s a clear understanding of the problem that resulted from > the organization requirement – are you saying that you were unable to > register a DBA name with Missouri Secretary of State in 2013? There is a 7$ > fee associated with such registration (every 5 years) but from all > appearances it is otherwise a rather nominal process, so if there is/was some > other barrier it would be good to explain it so that folks understand the > scope of the problem that you experienced when trying to do so. > > Thanks, > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers > > > _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
