All I know ARIN wouldn't accept my information until they had a verifiable entry in the Missouri Secretary of State database. At a WISPA meeting I directly addressed this with you, John and you said the business had to be verifiable in the Secretary of State database. All ARIN employees I interacted with at the time said the same. You asked if anyone had been harmed, I answered YES and explained. I am semi retired now. It is my Son's to deal with now. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Curran <[email protected]> To: Ryan Hamel <[email protected]> Cc: arin-ppml <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 19:34:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
Ryan - Indeed. As both myself (and Bill Herrin) have pointed out a few times in this discussion, ARIN already has flexibility in this regard and we do have sole proprietorships that enter into agreements and obtain number resources. Sole proprietorship works, DBA name registration works, incorporation of a legal entity works – hence the reason for further discussion in order to gain a better understanding of the problem to be solved. Thanks, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On Apr 16, 2025, at 8:16 PM, Ryan Hamel <[email protected]> wrote: John, I echo David's point coming from California. My ARIN resources are under my legal name, which was approved by the team that handles org tickets, and the legal team. A sole proprietor without a DBA, can legally conduct business in several states and potentially provinces too, and that also includes signing ARIN's agreements. Kind regards, Ryan Hamel ________________________________ From: ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> on behalf of David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 4:58:48 PM To: John Curran <[email protected]> Cc: arin-ppml <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals Caution: This is an external email and may be malicious. Please take care when clicking links or opening attachments. John, The issue is in Missouri, Minnesota, and probably many other states; if you are doing business under your own name and not a DBA, you don't need to register with the state to operate a sole proprietorship. So, if ARIN procedures require a lookup with the Secretary of State, effectively, that requires more than just operating as a business; it also requires operating that business under a fictitious name, not under the owner's name. Section 9 of the NRPM gives a lot of latitude for demonstrating that an organization operates within the ARIN region. A similar amount of latitude should be available to establish that an individual is acting as a business and not an individual, even if the jurisdiction's laws and procedures don't neatly align with ARIN procedures. Thanks On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 6:04 PM John Curran <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On Apr 16, 2025, at 6:02 PM, Paul E McNary <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Originally 12 years ago when I tried to get ARIN resources, I was greatly harmed by this. In Missouri at that time a Sole Proprietor did not have to register with the Secretary of State. ARIN would not issue resources unless they could verify you with Secretary of State database. We had a State Sales Tax and Employment Tax ID for 20 years, but that wasn't good enough. Paul - To be certain there’s a clear understanding of the problem that resulted from the organization requirement – are you saying that you were unable to register a DBA name with Missouri Secretary of State in 2013? There is a 7$ fee associated with such registration (every 5 years) but from all appearances it is otherwise a rather nominal process, so if there is/was some other barrier it would be good to explain it so that folks understand the scope of the problem that you experienced when trying to do so. Thanks, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
