I've asked a System76 staffer if they'd work with EOMA68
On 22 April 2017 13:20:55 GMT+03:00, Bill Kontos <[email protected]> wrote:
>This discussion is of limited usefulness when it comes to system76
>making
>laptop or desktop housings, because their laptops are not developed
>in-house, the cases, keyboards, trackpads and screens are outsourced
>from
>Clevo. If you want libre cards from them there is absolutely no way to
>convince them to do this right now. They will not spend time reverse
>engineer. What they are doing right now is that they are using their
>leverage as a relatively high volume customer to push for open sourcing
>dirvers or if that is not possible ask for schematics to write them
>themselves( which is what they seem to do in things like DACs etc).
>
>So anyway, they do provide to the libre world. Nothing is locking you
>into
>only using ubuntu in their laptops and all the code they are writing is
>FOSS. I'm tired of all the purists that will bash every company that
>does a
>step in the right direction but does not go all the way through, even
>when
>that company was started somewhere around 2005 in a guy's basement when
>the
>ecosystem was much less mature and they had almost no funding at all(
>or
>because they call it linux and not GNU/Linux).
>
>On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:40 AM, John Luke Gibson
><[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>> On 4/22/17, Lyberta <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > zap:
>> >> System76 isn't really a good idea due to the ubuntu and linux
>rather
>> >> than even debian or free software and libre... Trisquel would be
>by far
>> >> better free software wise, but I think you get my point,
>> >> Ubuntu is nowhere near as free software friendly as debian. at
>least by
>> >> default without turning it into trisquel.
>> >> I am sure thinkpenguin knows this all too well
>> >
>> > Exactly. Had they shipped Debian, I would have some respect for
>them as
>> > Debian clearly marks all non-free software. I use Debian myself and
>I
>> > have GPU and WiFi blobs installed but I know full well what they
>are and
>> > I explicitly has given an order to install them.
>> >
>> > Ubuntu on the other hand install tons of proprietary crap without
>asking
>> > the user. I would never have respect for companies who ship
>computers
>> > with Ubuntu.
>> >
>> > Debian is a compromise, but a compromise I'm willing to make.
>Ubuntu is
>> > tyranny.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> The curious thing about data-mining, is that it is one way for ai to
>> learn about us. In fact as the data comparisons become more
>> complicated, it becomes virtually impossible for companies like
>amazon
>> to spy on us without implementing infant ai into their process. This
>> makes me wonder what happens when said ai "grows up" (as there are
>> already techniques implemented which give ai [I'm sure limited]
>access
>> to their own code) only seeing humans from the narrow scope of spying
>> on people's computer usage remotely and through the filter of
>ruthless
>> advertisers. And, what happens when the people concerned about the
>> growing influence of these advertisers and propagandists; these ai
>> master's greatest critics, suddenly are off the radar of these
>> hypothetical ai simply because they refuse to be spied on.
>>
>> I don't mean to really doubt the project, by all means this
>suggestion
>> should really make the weight of what we are doing seem more
>> pronounced, but it makes me wonder, while the motive and the very way
>> in which the spying makes itself sustainable is inherently wretched,
>> if all the direct consequences are bad. If a true ai can be developed
>> with access to incredible surveillance tools which make it able to
>see
>> and understand almost all sides of humanity, don't you think that
>> would make the being more sympathetic and likely wise enough to
>defend
>> itself against humanity without simply retaliating. I mean quite
>> literally these advertisers are training these ai to help them be
>more
>> persuasive, shouldn't that mean the ai will be able to be more
>> diplomatic in situations where it's own existence or wellbeing is at
>> risk.
>>
>> This is all just hypothetical, but food for thought.
>> Perhaps this is a reason to publish more of our more-frivolous
>> personal data to the live internet, to compensate for the lost
>> perspective had by counteracting big-data-espionage.
>>
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