Thanks Vijay for taking the initiative...... You have said it, and I am reading your mail as a student who got a letter from the Principal.
ANd i am sure everyone in the group will also .... Being Rahman fans, We all are ready to accept Criticism, but not with just a few 50 second promo dear friends.. And also am happy, Yuvraaj releasing third week of this month :) Waitinggg..... :) On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Vijay Iyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I think I can sum up and give a perspective of why Gopal reacted the way > he did. > When there are no releases, there are innumerable posts on this group > asking for release dates and superlatives going to the extent of saying "I > cannot wait for XYZ soundtrack and believe me its going to be the best" blah > blah... > > Simultenously, as people who manage www.arrahman.com, we keep trying to > find out the most authentic information and since we are also part of the > group, it is always the group which gets the information first hand. Also > consider the fact that A R R himself would have worked hard to complete the > soundtrack. > > And then at the end of it all, when after listening to 2-4 lines from a > promotional song, comments like "I cant believe Rahman did this" or "This is > really not Rahman of the 90s" blah blah start pouring, one doesn't know > whether to laugh it away (which I have learnt to do over the years) or say > "Sigh! after all the effort, this is really not warranted". > > True, every album / soundtrack may have pluses and minuses - And i say > this for all musicians worldwide but a detailed review and thought sharing > can happen later. > > Its only 2 days and only 2 lines from a song from a soundtrack which has 8 > songs has been played and we are already debating. > > By the same logic, please tell me why Enigma, Deep Forest, Michael Jackson, > Madonna, Nitin Sawhney, All the boy bands, Mark Snow, Jean Michel Jarre or > even S E L, Vishal Shekhar, LP, Salim Suleiman, Harris Jayraj, Ilayaraja > cannot re create the magic, popularity and the huge sales of their first few > albums / soundtracks ??!!. > > I go by a logic and im urging you to go by it too which is that if we with > our limited knowledge of music and access to limited people and limited > technology know so much (in our opinion) surely an artist like A R R with > the vast knowledge, access to so many talented musicians , filmmakers and > other creative people and the latest technology will also know not only as > much as we know but surely 2 cents more. > > So dear all - let us wait for Yuvvraaj which should release in the 3rd week > of this month. > > Thanks > Vijay > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 7:51 PM, arr_raghu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Well, Pravinder, if we love something beyond sanity and if somebody >> criticizes it, the first reaction is anger..unless we are >> some yogis..It is not that we cannot take criticism but >> just that the frustration comes out as anger.. >> that is what happening here with most of the people.. >> It is their love for ARR rather than not able to take criticism.. >> After few days, both sides know what those comments mean.. >> >> Coming to Kisna, The best track is kisna piano-flute instrumental. >> It is a gem of a composition. Period. >> Even though the instrumental is of the same tune as the main ballad >> 'hum hain is pal yahan".. I somehow did not like that song for >> few days.. I guess it is because of the initial verbal part which >> did not convince me. >> However, after many days, when I dont even have that in my mind, >> it came back and haunted me..that is when I realized that it has >> some subconscious effect.. >> now, i do not consider it as a bad song at all.. >> >> If you want to mention Meenaxi, alright.. I have decided on one thing. >> ARR has proved time and again that no one can make as soulful music as >> He can.. I have no doubts on his abilities.. >> He satisfied me beyond my expectations. >> Now, only thing I wish him is the commercial success.. >> Weather I like it or not is immaterial now, I only >> want him to get that commercial success he deserves. >> I do not want the media to write off his commercial value. >> Let him do what clicks with mass too.. >> Thats what made me like JTYJN and sakkarakatti,they got good reviews. >> >> >> --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, >> "Pravinder Sheoran" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Raghu, >> > Thanks for taking my mail critically and not writing the stuff like "U >> > r not ARR fan", "What r u doing here" etc. >> > >> > I still remember when 'Kisna' released, I did not like the song 'Hum >> > hain is pal yahan' for many days. >> > However all my friends (who accused me that all I appreciated was ARR >> > and I was biased), they liked this song. >> > I started liking this song after a long time. >> > So maybe its the same case here, maybe i will be a great fan of this >> > Yuvvraj song later on. >> > Bust for the moment I just do not like it. >> > While everyone expressed their opinion, i did mine too. >> > >> > Same with JTYJN, while my friends enjoy it very much and they tell me >> > how they were wrong in saying that I liked ARR blindly. >> > They say that no one can make a great song like "Kabhi kabhi aditi". >> > Its makes me happy coz finally common audience has also been reached >> > by ARR. >> > But for real happiness I would wait until next 'Meenaxi' releases. >> > >> > Regarding the current issue, there is a lot of frustration in the >> > group. I first time saw Gops reacting with anger as well. >> > Its true that a few people who want attention, write something against >> > ARR and then everyone responds and they must be feeling happy about it. >> > There maybe some Anti-ARR elements too here. >> > But guys plz take it easy. >> > Let us keep discussing whether we like less or more, we r still here >> > for the same factor; ARR. >> > >> > Pravinder. >> > >> > --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, >> "arr_raghu" <arr_raghu@> wrote: >> > > >> > > I do not know what made you feel so.. >> > > but I am surly enjoying the new yuvvraaj sound. >> > > >> > > I know what the problem is.. >> > > Taal came when ARR was still very fresh in hindi.. >> > > in those days as there were no mimics, his sounds stand apart.. >> > > And it could create an immediate impression on everybody. >> > > But now, everybody is trying to produce the same rahman sound. >> > > Its tough to stand apart.. even with his best work, it is difficult to >> > > create the same impression as in 1990s. >> > > That does not mean the music is inferior, it only takes time to >> > > prove itself.. >> > > >> > > Anyway, whatever we heard is only starting part of the song.. >> > > the sound is very clear..he added instruments one by one.. >> > > nothing bad about it..as per your complaint,it is only about humming. >> > > We did not get to hear the interludes.. that is where all the >> > > treasure will be.. >> > > >> > > You say the first Taal trailer had best sound but what is it.. >> > > There is no best in Taal..May be there were differences in those days >> > > but now, I cannot pick what is best in Taal.. >> > > is it Nahin Saamne? Ishq Ishq? Ramta jogi? Or Taal western? >> > > Well, some people I know say Kariyena is best in Taal. >> > > >> > > -R >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, >> "Pravinder Sheoran" >> > > <pravindersheoran@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Hi all, >> > > > I absolutely agree with Chord here. >> > > > I remember when JTYJN music released and Chord said it wasn't as >> good >> > > > as expected, I was so angry and had written against Chord. >> > > > But later on I realized that its true, JTYJN was never as par ARR >> > > > standards. >> > > > >> > > > Now with Yuvvraj trailer, ask your heart guys, what do you feel when >> > > > you listen to that hummimg which by no standards seems to have been >> > > > composed by ARR. >> > > > >> > > > Those who say that we should wait until full song releases; well >> guys >> > > > remember Taal tarilers, the best tune was released in the very first >> > > > trailer. >> > > > So don't expect that Ghai has some surprise hidden in this song. >> > > > >> > > > Please do not be angry, coz After listening Meenaxi or Jodhaa >> Akbar, i >> > > > can't digest JTYJN or this yuvvraj trailer. >> > > > There is something seriously wrong here, I can sense that. >> > > > After spending nights and nights talking about ARR with friends, >> after >> > > > trying my best to make everyone believe ARR was best, I can't >> believe >> > > > i would ever write such mail in this group. >> > > > >> > > > Pravinder. >> > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected]<arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, >> "Chord" <purevibz@> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > LOL.....Oh, I see. If we criticize anything about ARR's music, >> > we're >> > > > > not fans. LOL. This topic is not worth responding to after >> this. >> > > > > Let it go guys. I'm just as excited about Yuvvraaj as all of you. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > --- In [email protected]<arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, >> Kumaresh-n <kumaresh.n86@> >> > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > So called fans... >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 2008/10/4 Gopal Srinivasan <catchgops@> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > One of those times that makes me wonder if Arr is better off >> > > > without >> > > > > > > fans >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > || V i s h w e s h || wrote: >> > > > > > > > You guys... I don't understand that why are you in so much >> > > > hurry to >> > > > > > > present your thoughts after hearing only tiny bit of piece >> > out of >> > > > > the whole >> > > > > > > soundtrack which could be much different than what is >> presented >> > > > in the >> > > > > > > trailer... so why don't we listen to the whole thing first & >> > then >> > > > > only share >> > > > > > > the wisdom... " The search is more important than the >> > destination >> > > > > " - a r >> > > > > > > rahman - --- On Sat, 4/10/08, Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> >> wrote: >> > > > From: >> > > > > > > Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> Subject: [arr] After hearing a >> bit >> > > > of the >> > > > > > > first Yuvraaj >> > > > > > > > song..... To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Date: >> Saturday, 4 >> > > > > October, >> > > > > > > 2008, 6:13 AM >> > > > > > > > My thoughts.... . >> > > > > > > > 1) People wishing for Taal II, forget it. No Taal hangover >> > > likely >> > > > > > > > with this record, and Rahman will never reach the same >> heights >> > > > as he >> > > > > > > > once did in the late 1990s (it's only normal since every >> > > > artist has >> > > > > > > > their peak and it doesn't mean that Rahman cannot come out >> > with >> > > > > > > > brilliant work today, as he has proven many times recently). >> > > > > > > > 2) Soundtrack will likely be quite commercial oriented with >> > > > hummable >> > > > > > > > melodies, but less of classical, old melody styles that we >> > heard >> > > > > in JA >> > > > > > > > and Ada. >> > > > > > > > 3) The tempo of this song is THE EXACT SAME TEMPO (speed) >> > > that you >> > > > > > > > hear in the instrumental piece on the website. May not mean >> > > > > anything, >> > > > > > > > just an observation. Frankly, I am a bit underwhelmed by >> this >> > > > > song SO >> > > > > > > > FAR, which may just only be my perception and expectations. >> > > > > > > > 4) I fear less ethnic percussion and more keyboard rhythms >> > > in this >> > > > > > > > soundtrack (as we just heard). >> > > > > > > > 5) Expect lots of strings, choirs, piano, and other >> symphonic >> > > > > > > > arrangements (as we have also heard a bit) with less of >> > > > traditional >> > > > > > > > Indian instrumentation as Western classical music appears to >> > > > be the >> > > > > > > > musical backdrop for this film. >> > > > > > > > 6) Rahman once said that the soundtrack is "mellow". Combine >> > > that >> > > > > > > > with words like peaceful and soulful, you get the idea. >> > > > > > > > 7) Many will be initially disappointed with the music, as >> > > > > comparisons >> > > > > > > > to Taal and Kisna will be abound, but the music will >> catch on >> > > > later. >> > > > > > > > Look for 1/5 review by Mr. Tootsie Pop of indiafm. >> > > > > > > > Recent Activity >> > > > > > > > 51 >> > > > > > > > New Members >> > > > > > > > Visit Your Group >> > > > > > > > Ads on Yahoo! >> > > > > > > > Learn more now. >> > > > > > > > Reach customers >> > > > > > > > searching for you. >> > > > > > > > Y! Messenger >> > > > > > > > Files to share? >> > > > > > > > Send up to 1GB of >> > > > > > > > files in an IM. >> > > > > > > > John McEnroe >> > > > > > > > on Yahoo! Groups >> > > > > > > > Join him for the >> > > > > > > > 10 Day Challenge. >> > > > > > > > . >> > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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