No offence Chord and Gopal and me are the last persons to get hurt over these things.
All the best ! thanks On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good perspective and insight. Thanks for sharing with us. I > certainly don't subscribe to the misbelief that ARR has lost it or > that I would like a return to the 90s. I think I misworded my > intentions and conveyed a presmptuous, generalized tone and comments, > when I didn't mean the way it was perceived. I thought I had > qualified the disappointment I heard from the clip with comments about > how I don't like to predict an album from just a short clip and that > I'm still excited. I always appreciate ARR as a progressive artist > and in many ways, enjoy his more recent material than the older > material, though I still believe that his best music so far was from > the late 1990s to early 2000s. This does not however make me > appreciate his current material less and I anticipate all of his new > soundtracks with the same enthusiasm and love I have always had. For > the sanity of this group, I will henceforth reserve all comments until > the full soundtrack is upon us. > > We are blessed to have ARR in our life and his hard work is more than > appreciated. We also appreciate having first hand information about > ARR here. > > My apologies to those who I have offended here, esp. Gopal and Vijay. > > --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Vijay Iyer" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I think I can sum up and give a perspective of why Gopal reacted the > way he > > did. > > When there are no releases, there are innumerable posts on this > group asking > > for release dates and superlatives going to the extent of saying "I > cannot > > wait for XYZ soundtrack and believe me its going to be the best" blah > > blah... > > > > Simultenously, as people who manage www.arrahman.com, we keep trying > to find > > out the most authentic information and since we are also part of the > group, > > it is always the group which gets the information first hand. Also > consider > > the fact that A R R himself would have worked hard to complete the > > soundtrack. > > > > And then at the end of it all, when after listening to 2-4 lines from a > > promotional song, comments like "I cant believe Rahman did this" or > "This is > > really not Rahman of the 90s" blah blah start pouring, one doesn't know > > whether to laugh it away (which I have learnt to do over the years) > or say > > "Sigh! after all the effort, this is really not warranted". > > > > True, every album / soundtrack may have pluses and minuses - And i > say this > > for all musicians worldwide but a detailed review and thought > sharing can > > happen later. > > > > Its only 2 days and only 2 lines from a song from a soundtrack which > has 8 > > songs has been played and we are already debating. > > > > By the same logic, please tell me why Enigma, Deep Forest, Michael > Jackson, > > Madonna, Nitin Sawhney, All the boy bands, Mark Snow, Jean Michel > Jarre or > > even S E L, Vishal Shekhar, LP, Salim Suleiman, Harris Jayraj, Ilayaraja > > cannot re create the magic, popularity and the huge sales of their > first few > > albums / soundtracks ??!!. > > > > I go by a logic and im urging you to go by it too which is that if > we with > > our limited knowledge of music and access to limited people and limited > > technology know so much (in our opinion) surely an artist like A R R > with > > the vast knowledge, access to so many talented musicians , > filmmakers and > > other creative people and the latest technology will also know not > only as > > much as we know but surely 2 cents more. > > > > So dear all - let us wait for Yuvvraaj which should release in the > 3rd week > > of this month. > > > > Thanks > > Vijay > > > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 7:51 PM, arr_raghu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Well, Pravinder, if we love something beyond sanity and if somebody > > > criticizes it, the first reaction is anger..unless we are > > > some yogis..It is not that we cannot take criticism but > > > just that the frustration comes out as anger.. > > > that is what happening here with most of the people.. > > > It is their love for ARR rather than not able to take criticism.. > > > After few days, both sides know what those comments mean.. > > > > > > Coming to Kisna, The best track is kisna piano-flute instrumental. > > > It is a gem of a composition. Period. > > > Even though the instrumental is of the same tune as the main ballad > > > 'hum hain is pal yahan".. I somehow did not like that song for > > > few days.. I guess it is because of the initial verbal part which > > > did not convince me. > > > However, after many days, when I dont even have that in my mind, > > > it came back and haunted me..that is when I realized that it has > > > some subconscious effect.. > > > now, i do not consider it as a bad song at all.. > > > > > > If you want to mention Meenaxi, alright.. I have decided on one thing. > > > ARR has proved time and again that no one can make as soulful music as > > > He can.. I have no doubts on his abilities.. > > > He satisfied me beyond my expectations. > > > Now, only thing I wish him is the commercial success.. > > > Weather I like it or not is immaterial now, I only > > > want him to get that commercial success he deserves. > > > I do not want the media to write off his commercial value. > > > Let him do what clicks with mass too.. > > > Thats what made me like JTYJN and sakkarakatti,they got good reviews. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com><arrahmanfans% > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "Pravinder Sheoran" > > > <pravindersheoran@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Raghu, > > > > Thanks for taking my mail critically and not writing the stuff > like "U > > > > r not ARR fan", "What r u doing here" etc. > > > > > > > > I still remember when 'Kisna' released, I did not like the song 'Hum > > > > hain is pal yahan' for many days. > > > > However all my friends (who accused me that all I appreciated > was ARR > > > > and I was biased), they liked this song. > > > > I started liking this song after a long time. > > > > So maybe its the same case here, maybe i will be a great fan of this > > > > Yuvvraj song later on. > > > > Bust for the moment I just do not like it. > > > > > > > While everyone expressed their opinion, i did mine too. > > > > > > > > Same with JTYJN, while my friends enjoy it very much and they > tell me > > > > how they were wrong in saying that I liked ARR blindly. > > > > They say that no one can make a great song like "Kabhi kabhi aditi". > > > > Its makes me happy coz finally common audience has also been reached > > > > by ARR. > > > > But for real happiness I would wait until next 'Meenaxi' releases. > > > > > > > > Regarding the current issue, there is a lot of frustration in the > > > > group. I first time saw Gops reacting with anger as well. > > > > Its true that a few people who want attention, write something > against > > > > ARR and then everyone responds and they must be feeling happy > about it. > > > > There maybe some Anti-ARR elements too here. > > > > But guys plz take it easy. > > > > Let us keep discussing whether we like less or more, we r still here > > > > for the same factor; ARR. > > > > > > > > Pravinder. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "arr_raghu" <arr_raghu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do not know what made you feel so.. > > > > > but I am surly enjoying the new yuvvraaj sound. > > > > > > > > > > I know what the problem is.. > > > > > Taal came when ARR was still very fresh in hindi.. > > > > > in those days as there were no mimics, his sounds stand apart.. > > > > > And it could create an immediate impression on everybody. > > > > > But now, everybody is trying to produce the same rahman sound. > > > > > Its tough to stand apart.. even with his best work, it is > difficult to > > > > > create the same impression as in 1990s. > > > > > That does not mean the music is inferior, it only takes time to > > > > > prove itself.. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, whatever we heard is only starting part of the song.. > > > > > the sound is very clear..he added instruments one by one.. > > > > > nothing bad about it..as per your complaint,it is only about > humming. > > > > > We did not get to hear the interludes.. that is where all the > > > > > treasure will be.. > > > > > > > > > > You say the first Taal trailer had best sound but what is it.. > > > > > There is no best in Taal..May be there were differences in > those days > > > > > but now, I cannot pick what is best in Taal.. > > > > > is it Nahin Saamne? Ishq Ishq? Ramta jogi? Or Taal western? > > > > > Well, some people I know say Kariyena is best in Taal. > > > > > > > > > > -R > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]<arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "Pravinder Sheoran" > > > > > <pravindersheoran@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I absolutely agree with Chord here. > > > > > > I remember when JTYJN music released and Chord said it wasn't as > > > good > > > > > > as expected, I was so angry and had written against Chord. > > > > > > But later on I realized that its true, JTYJN was never as > par ARR > > > > > > standards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now with Yuvvraj trailer, ask your heart guys, what do you > feel when > > > > > > you listen to that hummimg which by no standards seems to > have been > > > > > > composed by ARR. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who say that we should wait until full song releases; well > > > guys > > > > > > remember Taal tarilers, the best tune was released in the > very first > > > > > > trailer. > > > > > > So don't expect that Ghai has some surprise hidden in this song. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not be angry, coz After listening Meenaxi or Jodhaa > > > Akbar, i > > > > > > can't digest JTYJN or this yuvvraj trailer. > > > > > > There is something seriously wrong here, I can sense that. > > > > > > After spending nights and nights talking about ARR with friends, > > > after > > > > > > trying my best to make everyone believe ARR was best, I can't > > > believe > > > > > > i would ever write such mail in this group. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravinder. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected]<arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "Chord" <purevibz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL.....Oh, I see. If we criticize anything about ARR's music, > > > > we're > > > > > > > not fans. LOL. This topic is not worth responding to after > > > this. > > > > > > > Let it go guys. I'm just as excited about Yuvvraaj as all > of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > Kumaresh-n <kumaresh.n86@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So called fans... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008/10/4 Gopal Srinivasan <catchgops@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of those times that makes me wonder if Arr is > better off > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > fans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || V i s h w e s h || wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You guys... I don't understand that why are you in > so much > > > > > > hurry to > > > > > > > > > present your thoughts after hearing only tiny bit of piece > > > > out of > > > > > > > the whole > > > > > > > > > soundtrack which could be much different than what is > > > presented > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > trailer... so why don't we listen to the whole thing > first & > > > > then > > > > > > > only share > > > > > > > > > the wisdom... " The search is more important than the > > > > destination > > > > > > > " - a r > > > > > > > > > rahman - --- On Sat, 4/10/08, Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> Subject: [arr] After > hearing a bit > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > first Yuvraaj > > > > > > > > > > song..... To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Date: > > > Saturday, 4 > > > > > > > October, > > > > > > > > > 2008, 6:13 AM > > > > > > > > > > My thoughts.... . > > > > > > > > > > 1) People wishing for Taal II, forget it. No Taal > hangover > > > > > likely > > > > > > > > > > with this record, and Rahman will never reach the same > > > heights > > > > > > as he > > > > > > > > > > once did in the late 1990s (it's only normal since every > > > > > > artist has > > > > > > > > > > their peak and it doesn't mean that Rahman cannot > come out > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > brilliant work today, as he has proven many times > recently). > > > > > > > > > > 2) Soundtrack will likely be quite commercial > oriented with > > > > > > hummable > > > > > > > > > > melodies, but less of classical, old melody styles > that we > > > > heard > > > > > > > in JA > > > > > > > > > > and Ada. > > > > > > > > > > 3) The tempo of this song is THE EXACT SAME TEMPO > (speed) > > > > > that you > > > > > > > > > > hear in the instrumental piece on the website. May > not mean > > > > > > > anything, > > > > > > > > > > just an observation. Frankly, I am a bit underwhelmed by > > > this > > > > > > > song SO > > > > > > > > > > FAR, which may just only be my perception and > expectations. > > > > > > > > > > 4) I fear less ethnic percussion and more keyboard > rhythms > > > > > in this > > > > > > > > > > soundtrack (as we just heard). > > > > > > > > > > 5) Expect lots of strings, choirs, piano, and other > > > symphonic > > > > > > > > > > arrangements (as we have also heard a bit) with less of > > > > > > traditional > > > > > > > > > > Indian instrumentation as Western classical music > appears to > > > > > > be the > > > > > > > > > > musical backdrop for this film. > > > > > > > > > > 6) Rahman once said that the soundtrack is "mellow". > Combine > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > with words like peaceful and soulful, you get the idea. > > > > > > > > > > 7) Many will be initially disappointed with the > music, as > > > > > > > comparisons > > > > > > > > > > to Taal and Kisna will be abound, but the music will > > > catch on > > > > > > later. > > > > > > > > > > Look for 1/5 review by Mr. Tootsie Pop of indiafm. > > > > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > > > > > > > 51 > > > > > > > > > > New Members > > > > > > > > > > Visit Your Group > > > > > > > > > > Ads on Yahoo! > > > > > > > > > > Learn more now. > > > > > > > > > > Reach customers > > > > > > > > > > searching for you. > > > > > > > > > > Y! 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