Misi, We have been seeing some weird things with overlays. I know the stuff I brought over that were updates to existing overlays did not come over right. I essentially had to remove the overlay and reimport it. I have seen this happen back in 7.6.04 when overlays first came out. I have to do some more testing on different scenarios. I like that I can do a lot with your tools with batch scripts to do a lot of analysis of the system. To me this is probably the greatest pro over some of the out of box tools. I wasn’t sure on the rrrDefDiff logic, so thanks for the clarification. I really like the results file and the split out of the various def files. I have to play around more with AR System Deployment Management, but I like the idea of the clean GUI interface that I can have developers submit their deployment packages and roll them out. I think all your tools are really good for the people that have been around for a while. They definitely add a lot of value. The only thing I would caution is for people to really understand what the tools are doing before using them. I have seen some developers destroy systems with a few of those tools because they had some of the flags wrong. There should be almost a warner on the tools stating you can destroy a system if you do not use these tool properly. Although it then usually becomes a great learning experience. Keep pushing out great tools. I know there are a ton of Remedy developers that have really appreciated them.
Brian From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Misi Mladoniczky Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 5:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: arslist Digest - 12 Feb 2017 to 13 Feb 2017 (#2017-38) ** Hi Brian, Thank you for the thorough feedback. rrrExport/rrrImport - the main problem with Dev Studio is that it does everything in a big chunk, and errors are hard to connect to the right object. The idea with rrrExport/rrrImport is to do them in small pieces to circumvent this, and to give you a good log which clearly gives you the object connected to any error. rrrExport/rrrImport - Overlays should work fine, I have tested this on some versions. Anything more specific on that part? rrrDefDiff does NOT work on modify-date. Instead it compares every piece of the def file excluding modify-date/by and some other redundant default stuff to give you the differences. You get def files to import for updated/new objects, and you get backup def files of the objects that will be updated/deleted. In other words it should be easy to back out a migration gone wrong. Best Regards - Misi, RRR AB, http://www.rrr.se (ARSList MVP 2011) Ask the Remedy Licensing Experts (Best R.O.I. Award at WWRUG10/11/12/13) * RRR|License - Not enough Remedy licenses? Save money by optimizing. * RRR|Log - Performance issues or elusive bugs? Analyze your Remedy logs Find these products, and many free tools and utilities, at http://rrr.se February 14, 2017 5:41 PM, "Brian Pancia" <[email protected]<mailto:%22brian%20pancia%22%20%[email protected]%3e>> wrote: Everyone, Thanks for all the feedback. I've been messing around with a lot of these tools the last couple weeks. I've seen some very interesting results. Migrator - When comparing our test system with our production system using migrator. The process is extremely slow. This is because the systems have never been synced with each other since they were upgraded 6 months ago. There are a lot of code and data differences between the two systems. Migrator does work though and it is nice to see what the differences are in the difference reports. RRR Tools - rrrExport and rrrImport are a lot quicker than Dev Studio when importing large amounts of code. I think both work fine and I didn't see huge benefits of one over the other. There were minor pros/cons to each. If you're hard core command line the simplicity of rrrExport and rrrImport are great. One issue I did come across with rrrImport was with overlays. Some of the forms with overlays didn't come over right. - rrrDefDiff - this tool was interesting. It seems to go off the last modified date. Migrator is a lot slower because it will show a difference even if a field moved over a pixel, I believe. rrrDefDiff doesn't give a lot of report functionality other then with there was a difference or if it was on source or target only. I ran this multiple times after importing differences and the counts actually seemed to go up after importing differences. I expected the difference counts to go down. -rrrchive - this is a good tool to move data. I've used this many times and it works really well and is extremely robust on the configuration. Haven't messed around with AR System Deployment Management yet. Mark - I will have to look into the tool you mentioned. I've seen a lot of Remedy implementations over the years that have dev/test/prod/coop environments that aren't even remotely close to each other. Most of this is a process issue and not necessarily a tool issue. I have a bunch of systems that haven't been synced in 6 months, which makes all but production worthless. All the tools above would take a long time to sync the systems. I think I need to do a full database backup/restore of all the systems, put a strong process in place, and then use a combination of the above tools to ensure the systems stay in sync. There should be differences in all the systems but for test/prod/coop the differences should be minor. Throw multiple developers across multiple groups and it can cause some headaches. I think ideally I would use the following steps: - Backup production and restore to Test and COOP - Backup any development code from dev, restore prod to dev and import development code using Dev Studio - Now that all systems are in sync, except for the new dev code, I would setup replication at the database level between COOP and Production using MS SQL replication tools - Test I would setup a nightly sync of data using rrrchive of selected forms from Prod to Test and then do a full database restore after major releases. - Dev full database restores would happen on an as needed bases, probably at least quarterly - For release packages AR System Deployment Management looks like the best tool. However, without testing fully it is yet to be determined. Both AR System Deployment Management and Migrator have rollback capabilities, so I would probably opt for the them over the different combinations of RRR Tools. - Setup a nightly batch job on all the environments using rrrexport and rrrdefdif and review the results list daily. This will allow us to identify any potential changes that happened in one environment that didn't follow the process. Thanks again, Brian ________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Mark Herring <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 4:29 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: arslist Digest - 12 Feb 2017 to 13 Feb 2017 (#2017-38) ** Hi Brian, I’ve not tried the Deployment Tool but if you’re looking for a comprehensive easy to use migrator tool with a friendly UI, take a look at ITSMBridge. It includes a difference report to compare servers, pre-built templates to migrate selected ITSM applications (foundation and/or transaction data) and options to migrate between different AR/ITSM versions or from external SM platforms like Service Now to BMC Remedy. HTH Mark On 13 Feb 2017, at 23:00, arslist automatic digest system <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: There is 1 message totaling 560 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Migrator Tool _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org<http://www.arslist.org> "Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 13:19:15 +0000 From: Brian Pancia <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: Migrator Tool Misi, I've been playing around with your tools and as always they are pretty awesome. There's a new tool in ARS 9.1 called AR System Deployment Management that looks pretty promising. Messing around with Migrator was painful just like I remembered. It looks like the deployment tool will end up replacing Migrator. Another toy to add to the tool box. I'm sure there are a few kinks that need to be worked out of the deployment tool, but I'll give it a go to see how it works. I'm curious to see anyone else's experience with the deployment tool. Thanks again, Brian ________________________________ From: Brian Pancia Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 8:14 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Migrator Tool Awesome. New toys to play with. I'll have to play with different scenarios depending on the source and destination servers. I'm thinking monthly syncs to dev and weekly syncs to test for code. I may do weekly data syncs to both environments. In theory Prod and Test should be locked down, preventing development directly from there, but that's a different beast to tackle. I guess RRRDefDiff will be a good way for me to tell if updates are being made to Prod or Test without going through Dev>Test>Prod sequence. Batching that process out may be interesting to see if developers aren't following the proper process. For a COOP environment I'm thinking using SQL replication is probably the best bet. With replication I can do near real time updates. Brian ________________________________ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Misi Mladoniczky <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 1:37 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Migrator Tool ** Hi, Why not try a combination of RRR|ExportDef, RRR|DefDiff, RRR|ImportDef and RRR|DeleteObject. The important one is RRR|DefDiff, mening that you can use other tools to export/import definitions and delete surplus objects. https://rrr.se/cgi/tools/main?tool=rrrDefDiff RRR|DefDiff<https://rrr.se/cgi/tools/main?tool=rrrDefDiff> rrr.se RRR|DefDiff updated 2015-06-16 Finds differences between two def-files https://rrr.se/cgi/tools/main?tool=rrrExportDef RRR|ExportDef<https://rrr.se/cgi/tools/main?tool=rrrExportDef> rrr.se RRR|ExportDef updated 2012-11-23 Exports definition files from your server https://rrr.se/cgi/tools/main?tool=rrrImportDef RRR|ImportDef<https://rrr.se/cgi/tools/main?tool=rrrImportDef> rrr.se usage: rrrimportdef [ -l error.log ] [ -e error.def ] [ -verbose ] [ -silent ] server tcpport user password import.def usage: rrrimportdef -help https://rrr.se/cgi/tools/main?tool=rrrDeleteObject Best Regards - Misi, RRR AB, http://www.rrr.se (ARSList MVP 2011) RRR|Home<http://www.rrr.se<http://www.rrr.se/>> www.rrr.se<http://www.rrr.se> RRR|Log Fix specific performance problems or work proactively with performance by using RRR|Log. It will help you make sense of the information in the Remedy log ... Ask the Remedy Licensing Experts (Best R.O.I. Award at WWRUG10/11/12/13) * RRR|License - Not enough Remedy licenses? Save money by optimizing. * RRR|Log - Performance issues or elusive bugs? Analyze your Remedy logs Find these products, and many free tools and utilities, at http://rrr.se RRR|Home<http://rrr.se<http://rrr.se/>> rrr.se RRR|Log Fix specific performance problems or work proactively with performance by using RRR|Log. It will help you make sense of the information in the Remedy log ... February 9, 2017 5:52 PM, "Brian Pancia" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:%22Brian%20Pancia%22%20<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: I'm blowing off the dust on BMC Migrator. It has been years since I've messed with it. I've used it in the past to migrate small amounts of code from dev to test to production. What I'm looking at now is using it as a sync tool between the environments for code only. I've usually just done a database backup and restore in the past and for small code migrations I just export/import .def files. There are definitely pros/cons to all these methods. My plan now is to use RRRChive to migrate data updates and BMC Migrator to do code migration. This will give me much more control then a simple database backup and restore. Is anyone currently taking this approach between dev/test/prod. We're using MS SQL 2012 on the backend, which I'll use database replication between prod and coop. Brian DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail and its attachments contain confidential information belonging to the sender, which is legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. 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