Yes I agree. Especially when the request to send some one to Vegas comes right 
after the company has had to layoff 200 workers in Pennsylvania, Ohio or 
Kentucky because they are closing plants as a result of an economic downturn. 
Dave 
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Kelly, it's not so much the cost that can be the concern, but the location.  
Often when Vegas is the location, there is an association with it that makes 
some management think "why would I spend my budget on this guy/gal's bachnalian 
vacation in Vegas?"  Trust me, folks in the public sector will often run into 
this.
 
I love going to the User World, and the last one was in a truly interesting 
city!  I'd love to see more locations like Vancouver.  Sort of off the beaten 
convention path.  Reasonable in price (although the hotel was pricey, but the 
value of the USD wasn't helping that).  There are so many smaller cities in 
this country that offer wonderful convention facilities and interesting 
entertainment venues.  Plus they are centrally located!
 
How about BUW 2010 - Steubenville, OH?  (just kidding).....
 
Cities like Columbus, OH, Indianapolis, IN or one of my personal favorites, 
Chicago IL have so much to offer.  And the expnese is so much less then the 
Miami's of the world....
 
Just an idea.
 
Warren

 
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        How far away from the event are the less expensive hotels?
        
        Miami was going to cost a fair amount more than it did in Vancouver 
because I want the convenience of staying near the conference.
        
        There was a day event in New York last week. Even though it was a day 
event it was held in a hotel that the cheapest room was over 400 a night.
        
        It's not just cost. A couple of responses discussed choice between 
listening to a dry discussion on CMDB or slots. Choice between Configuration 
Management or Blackjack. It can be a perception that it's Vegas and little time 
will be spent at the event. In some cases it's not a misconception because 
folks do use events like free vacations.
        
        Maybe it's just me. I don't go for the glitz. I attend for the 
technical content.
        
        
        Dave 
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        I don't understand why Las Vegas is extravagant. It has more cheap 
flights to it than about anywhere. It does have expensive hotel rooms but it 
also has very reasonable and yet safe rooms. Go to Travelocity and search for 
3-5 star hotels for less than $100 a night. I got 85 hits including the Luxor, 
Circus Circus, etc. What am I missing?
         
        Kelly Deaver
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        (Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and 
not the official opinion of BMC)
         
         

                -------- Original Message --------
                Subject: Re: 2008 User World
                From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<http://tycoelectronics.com/> >
                Date: Wed, September 24, 2008 7:40 pm
                To: [email protected]
                
                
                Vegas could be problematic. Maybe BMC will listen to this 
before they really decide. As others have pointed out, the economy is not in 
great shape. I work for a company that manufacturers connectors for appliances, 
cars, computers, phones, power lines, etc. People are tightening their belts 
and not buying like they did.
                
                It also not just in the US. The events over the last few weeks 
are effected economies through out the world.
                
                In response, Tyco Electronics is looking at ways to tighten 
it's belt. A conference in Vegas when the economy continues to slow down is not 
a good thing. My asking to attend a conference in Vegas may be frowned upon as 
extravagant.
                
                It maybe similar to scheduling a conference in Florida during 
hurricane season and in a hotel that's going to be renovated. In this case the 
conference maybe held but the technical folks can't come because of the cost 
and the glitz in a bad economy.
                
                Then again we may get lucky and the economy pick up. For me it 
probably be an easier sell if it were in San Francisco or Houston. 
                Dave 
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                Vegas could be problematic....
                 
                You know what they say, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!
                 
                How the heck do we get all of our loot home!
                 
                Warren
                
                 
                On 9/24/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

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                        Kelly,
                        
                        Thanks for that update. 
                        Dave 
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                        Subject: Re: 2008 User World 
                        
                         
                        
                        If you want to be kept informed on the saga of User 
World(s) you have to 'opt in' to get email. This is a requirement to meet the 
"no spam" type rules. You can do this by filling out this form - 
http://www.bmc.com/webforms/webforms.cfm?template=3644 
                         
                        Kelly Deaver
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                                -------- Original Message --------
                                Subject: Re: 2008 User World
                                From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<http://tycoelectronics.com/> >
                                Date: Tue, September 23, 2008 6:23 pm
                                To: [email protected]
                                
                                ** 
                                Hmmm.  It appears I just got an "official 
email" from [EMAIL PROTECTED] the subject of "BMC UserWorld Miami Reimbursement 
Process."  It details what forms to fill out, where to send the receipts, etc.
                                 
                                I spoke with another person that had registered 
and she was given a reimbursement process 2 weeks ago.
                                 
                                Just as FYI, the last paragraph of the 
"official email" is below:
                                 
                                Mark Your Calendars
                                Many of you have been asking, and we are 
pleased to let you know that UserWorld will be held in October 2009. Look for 
more details including dates and locations coming soon! 
                                
                                Dave

                                 
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list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Easter, David
                                Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:01 PM
                                To:[email protected]
                                Subject: Re: 2008 User World
                                
                                 
                                ** 
                                FYI - there have been no official 
communications sent out on this matter.  The information here is, at this time, 
speculation.  I have confirmed with the organizers that the information here is 
NOT confirmed at this point.  When an official communication goes out, I will 
certainly again update this community.
                                 
                                Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some 
message from someone did go out - but anything sent/received is not conformed 
and not official..
                                 
                                Thanks,
                                
                                
                                 
                                -David J. Easter
                                Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and 
Development
                                BMC Software, Inc.
                                 
                                The opinions, statements, and/or suggested 
courses of action expressed in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of 
BMC Software, Inc.  My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to 
convey a role as a spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for 
BMC Software, Inc.
                                 

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list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
                                Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AM
                                To:[email protected]
                                Subject: Re: 2008 User World
                                
                                 
                                ** 
                                No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get 
refunds.
                                 
                                The email I received noted that there will be 
more information posted on the web site by the end of the week.
                                 
                                Dave

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list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
                                Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:19 AM
                                To:[email protected]
                                Subject: Re: 2008 User World
                                
                                 
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                                So there will be NO 2008 BUW?  Or did they say? 
 It is a bit late, I guess...
                                
                                Rick
                                
                                
                                On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, 
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                                        Just received an update concerning 2008 
User World (US version).  Look forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.
                                        Dave 
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