Why not St Louis or Kansas City?  A nice central location?  I understand the
point about Vegas being thought of as an "excuse" for a vacation, however,
the point of keeping costs down is valid.   Almost every hotel in Vegas has
cheap rooms.  I would think you wouldn't need to be more than a few blocks
away from the conference.  Of course that is just my opinion.

Brian

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Shellman, David <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes I agree. Especially when the request to send some one to Vegas comes
> right after the company has had to layoff 200 workers in Pennsylvania, Ohio
> or Kentucky because they are closing plants as a result of an economic
> downturn.
> Dave
> -------------------------
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Wireless)
>
> ------------------------------
>  *From*: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> *To*: [email protected]
> *Sent*: Thu Sep 25 11:58:55 2008
>
> *Subject*: Re: 2008 User World
> ** Kelly, it's not so much the cost that can be the concern, but the
> location.  Often when Vegas is the location, there is an association with it
> that makes some management think "why would I spend my budget on this
> guy/gal's bachnalian vacation in Vegas?"  Trust me, folks in the public
> sector will often run into this.
>
> I love going to the User World, and the last one was in a truly interesting
> city!  I'd love to see more locations like Vancouver.  Sort of off the
> beaten convention path.  Reasonable in price (although the hotel was pricey,
> but the value of the USD wasn't helping that).  There are so many smaller
> cities in this country that offer wonderful convention facilities and
> interesting entertainment venues.  Plus they are centrally located!
>
> How about BUW 2010 - Steubenville, OH?  (just kidding).....
>
> Cities like Columbus, OH, Indianapolis, IN or one of my personal favorites,
> Chicago IL have so much to offer.  And the expnese is so much less then the
> Miami's of the world....
>
> Just an idea.
>
> Warren
>
>
> On 9/25/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> **
>>
>> How far away from the event are the less expensive hotels?
>>
>> Miami was going to cost a fair amount more than it did in Vancouver
>> because I want the convenience of staying near the conference.
>>
>> There was a day event in New York last week. Even though it was a day
>> event it was held in a hotel that the cheapest room was over 400 a night.
>>
>> It's not just cost. A couple of responses discussed choice between
>> listening to a dry discussion on CMDB or slots. Choice between Configuration
>> Management or Blackjack. It can be a perception that it's Vegas and little
>> time will be spent at the event. In some cases it's not a misconception
>> because folks do use events like free vacations.
>>
>> Maybe it's just me. I don't go for the glitz. I attend for the technical
>> content.
>>
>>
>> Dave
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From*: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
>> *To*: [email protected]
>> *Sent*: Thu Sep 25 07:57:52 2008
>> *Subject*: Re: 2008 User World
>>
>>  I don't understand why Las Vegas is extravagant. It has more cheap
>> flights to it than about anywhere. It does have expensive hotel rooms but it
>> also has very reasonable and yet safe rooms. Go to Travelocity and search
>> for 3-5 star hotels for less than $100 a night. I got 85 hits including the
>> Luxor, Circus Circus, etc. What am I missing?
>>
>> Kelly Deaver
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> (Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and
>> not the official opinion of BMC)
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: 2008 User World
>> From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED]<http://tycoelectronics.com/>
>> >
>> Date: Wed, September 24, 2008 7:40 pm
>> To: [email protected]
>>
>> Vegas could be problematic. Maybe BMC will listen to this before they
>> really decide. As others have pointed out, the economy is not in great
>> shape. I work for a company that manufacturers connectors for appliances,
>> cars, computers, phones, power lines, etc. People are tightening their belts
>> and not buying like they did.
>>
>> It also not just in the US. The events over the last few weeks are
>> effected economies through out the world.
>>
>> In response, Tyco Electronics is looking at ways to tighten it's belt. A
>> conference in Vegas when the economy continues to slow down is not a good
>> thing. My asking to attend a conference in Vegas may be frowned upon as
>> extravagant.
>>
>> It maybe similar to scheduling a conference in Florida during hurricane
>> season and in a hotel that's going to be renovated. In this case the
>> conference maybe held but the technical folks can't come because of the cost
>> and the glitz in a bad economy.
>>
>> Then again we may get lucky and the economy pick up. For me it probably be
>> an easier sell if it were in San Francisco or Houston.
>> Dave
>> -------------------------
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> ------------------------------
>> *From*: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
>> *To*: [email protected]
>> *Sent*: Wed Sep 24 19:51:59 2008
>> *Subject*: Re: 2008 User World
>> ** Vegas could be problematic....
>>
>> You know what they say, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!
>>
>> How the heck do we get all of our loot home!
>>
>> Warren
>>
>>
>> On 9/24/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> ** Kelly,
>>>
>>> Thanks for that update.
>>> Dave
>>> -------------------------
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From*: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
>>> *To*: [email protected]
>>> *Sent*: Wed Sep 24 07:47:43 2008
>>> *Subject*: Re: 2008 User World
>>>
>>>  If you want to be kept informed on the saga of User World(s) you have
>>> to 'opt in' to get email. This is a requirement to meet the "no spam" type
>>> rules. You can do this by filling out this form -
>>> http://www.bmc.com/webforms/webforms.cfm?template=3644
>>>
>>> Kelly Deaver
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> (Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and
>>> not the official opinion of BMC)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: 2008 User World
>>> From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED]<http://tycoelectronics.com/>
>>> >
>>> Date: Tue, September 23, 2008 6:23 pm
>>> To: [email protected]
>>>
>>> ** Hmmm.  It appears I just got an "official email" from
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] the subject of "BMC UserWorld Miami Reimbursement
>>> Process."  It details what forms to fill out, where to send the receipts,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> I spoke with another person that had registered and she was given a
>>> reimbursement process 2 weeks ago.
>>>
>>> Just as FYI, the last paragraph of the "official email" is below:
>>>
>>> Mark Your Calendars
>>> Many of you have been asking, and we are pleased to let you know that
>>> UserWorld will be held in October 2009. Look for more details including
>>> dates and locations coming soon!
>>>  Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *From:*Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
>>> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Easter,
>>> David
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:01 PM
>>> *To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> *Subject:* Re: 2008 User World
>>>
>>>
>>> ** FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on this
>>> matter.  The information here is, at this time, speculation.  I have
>>> confirmed with the organizers that the information here is *NOT*confirmed 
>>> at this point.  When an official communication goes out, I will
>>> certainly again update this community.
>>>
>>> Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone did go out
>>> - but anything sent/received is not conformed and not official..
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -David J. Easter
>>> Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development
>>> BMC Software, Inc.
>>>
>>> The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in
>>> this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.  My
>>> voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a
>>> spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software,
>>> Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *From:*Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
>>> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Shellman,
>>> David
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AM
>>> *To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> *Subject:* Re: 2008 User World
>>>
>>>
>>> ** No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get refunds.
>>>
>>> The email I received noted that there will be more information posted on
>>> the web site by the end of the week.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *From:*Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
>>> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Rick
>>> Cook
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:19 AM
>>> *To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> *Subject:* Re: 2008 User World
>>>
>>>
>>> ** So there will be NO 2008 BUW?  Or did they say?  It is a bit late, I
>>> guess...
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, David <
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ** Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version).
>>>> Look forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.
>>>> Dave
>>>> Dave Shellman
>>>> Phone:  (717) 810-3687
>>>> Fax:    (717) 810-2124
>>>> email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> *Tyco** Electronics*
>>>> MS 161-043
>>>> PO Box 3608
>>>> Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607
>>>>
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