"Larry did not comprehend that having a private investment Â…of several
million dollars completed next to property that he owns is a 'good
thing' and would increase that adjacent property's value. His only
concern was that he get $2.5 million or nothing. Both Larry and the
City got exactly that, nothing but a vacant lot, all due to bad
planning or more accurately, no planning at all. Bad economics rules
in Asbury Park."

You've hit the nail on the head.  "Larry [does] not comprehendÂ…" Tom
and Dan J., despite all their singing of praise for the Fish, do not
comprehend that naming a real estate speculator a `Master Developer'
does not a developer make.  Council joins in this confederation of
dunces in not comprehending that throwing away prime city assets for
pennies on the dollar will guarantee nothing more than a huge windfall
profit for the dunce lucky enough to have stolen that lottery ticket.

It is not bad economics ruling Asbury it is a surplus of dumbness.


--- In [email protected], "wernerapnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "bluebishop82" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Business is business.  Tillie is dead 
> > because no one could re-coup a $16 million investment with pinball 
> > machine quarters as a return.  Economics rule (as it should).
> > 
> 
> Tillie (The Palace) is dead because of not planning for it to 
> survive. At the time of the bankruptcy settlement the Palace block 
> was zoned for amusement commercial uses. At that time the original 
> carousel and ferris wheel had been purchased by private investment 
> (Bill Sitar) and returned to NJ from Mississippi.
> 
> It was well publicized that Mr. Sitar was prepared to redevelope the 
> Palace block with an investment of several million dollars. Not as a 
> pinball arcade, but as a first class family entertainment venue 
> combining historic rides with 21st century commercial and retail uses.
> 
> Had that been planned for, we would now (3-4 years later) have a 
> major tax ratable and tourism attraction instead of a vacant lot. The 
> zoning on that site was changed to primarily condo use at the request 
> of the 'master developer'.
> 
> Yes there was a contingency for 1/2 the palace block to be saved but 
> only if the Fishman's unrealistic price of $2.5 million were met. I 
> had a meeting with Larry regarding this and attempted to explain the 
> good business sense of striking a deal with a competent developer 
> (Mr. Sitar).
> 
> Larry did not comprehend that having a private investment (other than 
> ones own money) of several million dollars completed next to property 
> that he owns is a 'good thing' and would increase that adjacent 
> property's value. His only concern was that he get $2.5 million or 
> nothing.
> 
> Both Larry and the City got exactly that, nothing but a vacant lot, 
> all due to bad planning or more accrately, no planning at all. Bad 
> economics rules in Asbury Park.
> 
> Werner




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