Steve - I am going to sound as much like a broken record as you. 
Please provide the sources for your assorted claims and statistics.  I
am very interested in reading them to see if you are applying them
properly.

Tom

--- In [email protected], "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Allan,
> 
> No Condo in Asbury Park is worth $1 Million, nor will any be for
> probably a decade, or more!
> 
> As far as the Crime goes, it's 3 Times worse now than it was in 2000,
> Before the Redevelopment Began! Until these Clowns who think destroying
> the lives of 10,000 Local Minorities to get themselves Rich REALIZE that
> they're CAUSING the Crime, Reality won't set in!
> 
> I've just been in Asbury Park since 1996, but there's been a BIG change
> in just the past 4 Years!  I've never seen so much unrest in Minority
> Communities since the late 1960's and early 1970's!  The "Community" as
> it's been referred to generally, which more accurately would be called
> the "Old" or Past or previously existing Community has NEVER, to this
> day, been invited "To the Table" with the Redevelopers ... To discuss
> how they can partake in the benefits of the Redevelopment!
> 
> And since they consist of 78% of the Population, to them the
> Redevelopment is NOT a redevelopment, but an Invasion by the Rich!  And
> it IS!  People who have lived here from 20 Years to over three or four
> generations are expected to now just get up and Disappear ....
> Peacefully, so that strangers who weren't even HERE 5 years ago can come
> in and get Rich in 3-4 Years!
> 
> Yes, there's Crime!  More importantly, the biggest Criminals ARE the
> Redevelopers, who are breaking Every Law that God has given us about
> caring for our fellow Man (And Women & Children).  They are just
> intentionally forcing OUT the Afro-Americans, of which about 2,000 are
> already gone!  And it's being done because People on the City Council,
> School Board and Planning Board are placed BY the Redevelopers!  Money
> does it!  And cheating and rigging Elections!
> 
> But just wait until the Condo Owners start to move in, and a few of them
> are Shot!  Wow, all of a sudden, the Values may drop overnight on the
> Condo Values!  Wanna make a bet?
> 
> The way this Redevelopment SHOULD have gone was that they should build
> ALL 3,100 Condos in three tier price ranging:  Low Income, Moderate
> Income and the ones they're building .. High Income!
> 
> As I mentioned many other times, we need (The City):
> 
>     1. Rent Control
>     2. Affordable Housing  (Three Tier)
>     3. Living Wage Jobs  & a Program to      Attract Jobs and Train
> People
> 
> WHY is there so much Crime?  Below are many of the Reasons, which
> combined, add up to creating a boiling point crisis for Asbury
> Residents:
> 
>            Redevelopment Created Problems:
> 
>     * The Redevelopment is designed to Gentrify      the Population on
> Purpose. Two Groups of People came here from Lakewood and NYC to carry
> out the plans.      Afro-Americans are the highest level of targeted
> People for them to get      out of the City at any cost!
>     * A Totally Dysfunctional City Hall, where      the same People who
> are supposed to be helping the Minorities have sold      out, and are
> stacking the odds against them, rather than helping      them.  Plus a
> new City      Manager and his Team who were brought in to Service the
> Redeveloper as      their primary responsibility, whether or not the
> City OR it's Residents      gain from the results.
>     * No Rent Control Passed to protect existing      Residents (By City
> Council)
>     * NO Affordable Housing at ALL in      Redevelopment Plan or
Contract
>     * Master Redeveloper in Default of Contract      by NOT hiring
20% of
> Asbury Park Workers and Contractors as promised for      Construction
> Jobs.
>     * Redevelopment caused a Crime Rate Increase      for the past four
> years, due to NO Provisions to help or protect Low      Income
> Residents, which caused tensions to rise, and resulted in desperate     
> people doing desperate things, and placed the entire City at Unrest!
> 
>               Pre-Existing Problems:
> 
>     1. A Population of about 8-10,000      under-educated Minority
> People, many of them with no High School Diploma.
>     2. One of the largest concentrations of      Dysfunctional Families
> with mostly no Fathers present.
>     3. A Group of Religious Leaders who are out      for their OWN
> Congregant's needs only, or their OWN personal gains.       Most don't
> care about the general population, or don't do anything.
>     4. No Existing large Organizational Tenants      Rights Group or
> Citizens Group to Organize requests for inclusion in      Redevelopment
> Plans & Benefits.
>     5. Poor Educational System with few      exceptions.
>     6. No City Community Center.
>     7. No City Youth       Center.
>     8. West        Side Community Center is under funded, partly   
  due
> to misallocation of Community Development Block Grants by the City.
>     9. Severe lack of well paying Jobs available      for Residents.
>    10. Racial Prejudice is alive and kicking both      in the Private
> Sector, as well as throughout City Hall and the School      System.
> So, Allan, chew on those things for a while, OK?  You'll most likely
> disagree with me like the selfish Yuppie Raiders that have dropped into
> the City in recent years, but, it's your right, even if you're wrong!
> 
> Bottom line is that the situation is getting worse, not better, as time
> goes on!  When you hold an entire Community hostage for years while
> you're planning to evict them, what must you and I expect, anyway?
> 
> Peace,
> 
> Steve
> 
> W
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], Allan Peterson <nnjallans1@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Where else can you get all this and now have to pay 400 to over a
> million for a home.
> >
> > Hinge hinge98@ wrote:          Greetings,
> > I'm writing this in response to the ongoing fight on this message
> board pertaining to
> > racism, minimum wage and the entire Asburysteve thread.
> > I recently moved to Asbury, and when I told my many friends that I was
> doing so, they all
> > had the same reaction..."Asbury, ew. It's dangerous there" or "Asbury,
> you mean that town
> > on the shore that has all that crime"
> > I was even apprenhensive to move here. A week after I signed my lease,
> I took a drive to
> > visit my soon to be home, and had a drug dealer try and flag me down
> near the
> > Golddigger, and immediately after I got approached by a prostitute
> because she figured I
> > pulled over for her, not because I wanted to check out my new home.
> > In any case, I love living in Asbury. Asbury has been a part of my
> life for as long as I can
> > remember. But unfortunately, the good memories are mingled with the
> bad...tales of
> > friends being attacked outside of the Stone Pony one night, having one
> of my beloved
> > bicycles stolen, only to be spotted outside a crack den in Asbury. I'm
> sure we all have such
> > tales of woe.
> > Since moving to Asbury, I've gotten to see the political in-fighting
> that doesn't seem to be
> > making much progress. I've seen people doing crack in broad daylight
> in the beautiful
> > Library Square Park. I've been yelled at in that park while walking my
> dog because some
> > guy thought I was looking at him (he yelled some pretty ugly racial
> things at me, then
> > yelled "what's the matter, you don't want a black man in your white
> assed park") I have
> > liquor bottles and other debris on my lawn practically every morning.
> My neighborhood is
> > filled with the same 3 or 4 prostitututes daily, and the accompanying
> cars that troll around
> > in search of them.
> > What's going to happen when the new people that AP is trying to
> attract wind up here?
> > I think there's quite a bit of good going on in AP right now, but
> unfortunately that is being
> > overshadowed by the bad. On one hand, we have the amazing Market in
> the Middle and
> > it's little group of flourishing restaraunts, on the other hand we
> have 3 people shot and
> > one killed just a few blocks away from where I live.
> > It seems to me that most of the problems in AP are drug related. AP
> has been known for
> > decades to be a place to score drugs. The prostitutes are all drug
> addicts, and the dealers
> > supply them. It's a vicious cycle.
> > Asbury is also plagued with racial seperation and racial stereotyping,
> which is fueled by
> > things like last weeks murder, and the weekly stories that appear in
> local newspapers
> > police blotters.
> > I hope Asbury doesn't suffer a similar fate to Atlantic City, where
> they have a 2 block wide
> > strip of prosperity bordering on a wasteland.
> > I don't know what the answers are, but I believe that Asbury needs to
> unite the east and
> > west, and both sides need to fight the sleezy and dangerous parts of
> Asbury that give us
> > the horrible reputation that we have.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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