Respectfully Jack I don't think I missed that point. Go back to yesterday's post between Dan the Man and me. He suggested we start to severely punish the employers. I asked "When can we start?"
I'm all for punishing the employers. The problem is those laws are on the books, but President Bush is refusing to enforce them. That's why his apporoval rating is 29%. If he passes a bill that includes amnesty, I predict he will be at 19%. --- In [email protected], "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tommy, > Like most people, you've missed a very important point that gets > glossed over. > What about the people that hire the illegals? They are the ones that > have been driving the demand for years. > Can you honestly blame a person who comes to this country with the > promise of work from people who are willing to pay lower wages without > the additional burden of providing insurance etc? > The illegals that mill around parking lots everyday looking for work > are being picked up by people that have a choice. They have a choice > to hire legal workers and pay them a competitive wage...but no...they > pay them under the table marginal wages, and they work their asses off > for that money. > If you are going to indict the illegals, I think you need to first > start with the root of the problem. > Jack > > --- In [email protected], "justifiedright" > <justifiedright@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote: > > > > > > > The Draft Riots of the Civil War. America always finds someone to > > >do > > > the jobs that no one else will. > > > > The "do the jobs that no one else will" is a myth that for some > > reason is easily accepted. It shouldn't be. There is no job in > > America where the workforce is more than 27% illegals (most are much > > less than that). So in all jobs, Americans and legal aliens are > > doing the work at 3x the rate as illegals are, and in most cases by > > a far greater percentage. > > > > There is no job in America that Americans won't do. The problem > > Americans are having is that they have to compete for wages against > > illegals who are not trying to assimilate, rather make money to send > > back home and return thereafter. > > > > >Tommy, > > > I am surprised that a conservative like you would not support > > <laizze > > > faire. Do you want wage controls? > > > > No, I want fair competition. How can an American Black laborer > > demand a wage that allows him to buy a home, get his kids an ipod > > and a bike, send his kids to college and have a nest egg for > > retirement when an illegal will work for cheap because he is living > > 30 in a house and sending every penny back to Mexico so his familiy > > can live well there and he can go back in 10 years and retire? He > > can't. It's unfair competition. > > > > Let Americans compete against those that wish to stay here. > > > > > I had a mexican doing work for me and now he owns his own company. > > > > Was he legal or illegal? > > > > > There have been studies looking at > > > the growth of the US economy over 150 years. The economy always > > >grew > > > faster after great waves of immigration. > > > > > > Interesting info, but useless to the current situation. Nothing > > like we are experiencing right now has ever happened in history, so > > history is no guide here. > > > > First of all, the extensive welfare state is much younger than 150 > > years. > > > > No country has ever been asked to handle this many foreigners at one > > time, educate them, give them healthcare, welfare, etc. > > > > Consider some numbers. After America was formed, the two largest > > groups of immigrants from Europe are Germans, followed by Italians. > > There are more illegals STANDING IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW than all the > > Germans and Italians that came here combined over the past 225 > > years. > > > > We have more foriegn born people STANDING IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW than > > all the immigrants who came here combined in the 350 years from 1607 > > to 1965. > > > > Some assert the number of illegals crossing the border is as high as > > 2 million each year. Gov. Bill Richardson of Arizona says his state > > sees 4500 illegals cross the border EVERY DAY. > > > > No one knows if American can bear this weight. > > > > >All of these people cannot > > > simply be deported. > > > > Most can be. Lets start with the approximately 70,000 that arrive > > each year with felony records. > > > > >It is probably the > > > only thing on which I will ever agree with Dubya. > > > > President Bush's failure to secure our borders in a time of war is a > > gross dereliction of his Constitution duties (not to mention a > > failure to ensure domestic tranquilty, as I would expect poor Blacks > > in partuclar to rise up against this economic war being waged upon > > them). > > > > If failure to secure our boarders are grounds for impeachment, don't > > expect me to stand in the way if the Democrats try. > > > > >How do they or > > > anyone rise up? Education. > > > > I'll enroll them in school when they land here legally. > > > > > > >The jews who emigrated here always knew the > > > answer. > > > > > > The answer was assimilation. I don't recall them demanding any > > street signs, applicaitions or 411 calls in yiddish. > > > Yahoo! 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