> On Apr 2, 2018, at 18:23, Robert Goldman <rpgold...@sift.info> wrote: > > On 1 Apr 2018, at 7:57, Mark Evenson wrote: > > On Apr 1, 2018, at 14:20, Attila Lendvai att...@lendvai.name wrote: > > The usage of DEFSYSTEM-DEPENDS-ON to specify dependencies that will be > satisfied by QL:QUICKLOAD no longer seems to be working in asdf-3.3.1. > > FTR, here's the history of this issue: > > https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-client/pull/122#issuecomment-160419822 > > https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-client/issues/108 > > Wow! Holy stale complications, batman! > > Robert apparently suggested something (apparently) much simpler in > > https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-client/pull/128 > > but without any commentary from Zach on that approach. > > Given asdf-3.3 is out, and recent sbcl’s ship with it, which is the preferred > way forward from ASDF’s perspective? > > "From ASDF's perspective," this is all new to me, since it was filed as a bug > against Quicklisp, and as far as I know, never raised as an issue for ASDF. I > could use some help here: > > • What's a minimal error case using quickload alone? > • What's a minimal case that arises with using ASDF as the entry point? > It seemed like there was one where if Quicklisp is up and running, and you > use asdf:load-system to load a system, this can also happen. > Something I can type into a REPL verbatim is what I would like to see.
Not sure how to distinguish between your two requests for quickload alone versus ASDF as an entry point A minimal case would be the following ASDF definition --—depends.asd--- (defsystem depends :in-order-to ((test-op (test-op "depends/t")))) (defsystem depends/t :defsystem-depends-on (prove-asdf) :depends-on (prove) :components ((:test-file "depends-test.lisp"))) ——depends-test.lisp—— (in-package :cl-user) (prove:plan 1) (prove:pass "A test that always passes") (prove:finalize) ---------------------- (ql:quickload :depends) should pick up the depends/t secondary system to install PROVE from the network, which is needed to provide a CLOS for the TEST-FILE component. Component "prove-asdf" not found, required by NIL 0: (CONDITIONS::CONDITIONS-ERROR :INVISIBLEP T ASDF/FIND-COMPONENT:MISSING-DEPENDENCY (:REQUIRED-BY NIL :REQUIRES "prove-asdf")) 1: (ERROR ASDF/FIND-COMPONENT:MISSING-DEPENDENCY :REQUIRED-BY NIL :REQUIRES "prove-asdf") 2: (ASDF/FIND-COMPONENT:RESOLVE-DEPENDENCY-NAME NIL "prove-asdf" NIL) 3: ((SUBFUNCTION 1 ASDF/PARSE-DEFSYSTEM:REGISTER-SYSTEM-DEFINITION)) … For ASDF3 alone, as long as PROVE is installed, there is no problem. > Also, sounds like though this is an issue on all lisps, not just ABCL as the > first post suggested Yes, this issue effects all Common Lisp implementations. I don’t think I even mentioned ABCL in my first message, so other than being an ABCL maintainer, I don’t see how you got that impression. > Communications between ASDF and QL have been difficult since Zach dropped off > this list (and, to be fair, I have never joined up to read quicklisp-devel, > if there is such a thing). Yes, we are certainly dealing with the resistance of Quicklisp to deprecate ASDF2 in favor of ASDF3, for which I neither really know nor want to go into the history thereof. Rather than pointing fingers, and spreading blame, I am trying to find some compromise that works for both the ASDF and Quicklisp maintainers, as without getting ql:quickload to somehow include :defsystem-depends-on declarations as recognized load dependencies in the currently stable ASDF3, it means this useful feature for ASDF extensiblity is effectively unusable for inter-system cooperation within Quicklisp. In the January 2018 Quicklisp systems, there are 103 references to prove-asdf, so this issue effects quite a bit of the current Quicklisp distributed ecosystem for that use case alone. As I read the Quicklisp issues and pull-requests, Quicklisp would be willing to accept a “minimally invasive” patch if it would support asdf-2.26 as well as ASDF3. So, to put things more succintly, given the choice between Quicklisp pulls  or , and given that we have advanced to asdf-3.3.1 since these requests were issued, what would be the preferred manner to patch Quicklisp that would be the most forward-looking for future ASDF3 compatibility so that Quicklisp might continue to work with :DEFSYSTEM-DEPENDS-ON clauses like it used to? : https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-client/pull/122 : https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-client/pull/128