Respected Mahanta da Childlike simplicity always fascinates me. But I am never fascinated by childish tantrums that too in the midst of a serious debate. I am sure you can not be serious when you attribute a politically motivated backdoor campaign behind my purely academic exerise. I am not trying to fool anyone. But the interesting question is how long you are going to fool yourself ? Because I am of the opinion that no one can fool anyone for all time to come. But one's misplaced sense of vanity and superiority facilitates fooling of one's internel self perpetually.
I don't want to prolong the debate ON THIS POINT ONLY by citing instances of our emotional immaturity. Because if that horrible incident failed to convince you, then no other inident will. Because one an wake up a person who is sleeping. You can not wake up a person who is pretending to be asleep. NUDHU GAA DHUALI, NAKHAU BHAT KHUALI, NIGILU KI KORO KOR. I am sure you have heard this phokora jujona before. Similar kind of event elsewhere would not have generated same degree of approval from the people at large. Here also, the difference will be in degrees. But you don't believe in subjetive benhmark. That of course is not a common problem. The way you address those Punjabis and Haryanvis signifies your deep rooted hatred for them. If you want proof, you refer to the last para of your other mail where you have referred to those people as genocidal maniacs. It is very amusing to have a debate with you. You make the task of the opponent very easy by giving proof of your own contradictions very prominently. I am ruthlessly forthright in this view and I want the same from you. No beating around the bush please. Let the inhabitants of Assam decide by plebiscite whether they endorse the main demand of the ultras. For your benefit, if you want, let the referendum be restricted only to Assamese speakers. Do you have the courage to hear the verdict from the people ? There is no point on harping what came first, once I have accepted that step motherly treatment led to widespread and genuine resentment against Delhi. Many points raised by the group are genuine problems plaguing the state. But you must acknowledge the fact they themselves have become a big problem for Assam now due to their mindless violent activities. I wish Parag da were alive today. He was the only person who never hesitated to call a spade a spade in respect of ULFA. He always criticised their overdependence on money and arms and gradual distancing from the people for whom they claim to be fighting. Others are simply guided by the flow of the wind. Today they are in this camp, next day they are somewhere else. They should remember one thing that THEIR ATTEMPT TO OBLITERATE CLARITY WITH THE HELP OF CASUISTRY will not succeed in the long run. People want negotiation because they are just fed up with the happenings of last 10/15 years. For general people, the issues raised by the ultras have already taken the back seat. If you believe that Assam is a colony of India, you tell me how do you plan to prepare the blueprint for a new Assam ? What will be the position of the state vis a vis other neighbouring countries ? Till the time I am convinced by someone, I have no hesitation in saying that we are better off inside India than outside it. You convince me; I have the courage and sports man spirit to accept my mistakes. But please don't beat around the bush. Be clear and cogent in your arguments. While levelling the charge of spinning with words, I request you to go through your writing before posting it on net. Kindly practise what you preach. I have equal sympathy for the victims of both types of violence. I don't make any distinction by observing at whose hands they have suffered. You seem to be doing so. Last but not the least, I am not here to insult the intelligence of anyone; I want our collective intelligence to be utilised for the betterment of the people or the state. If you know better, either you share with us or don't say you know more. You may be knowing more. I don't deny that. But I have serious doubts whether you will utilise your knowledge in a balanced way or just to justify your point of view which does not seem to have many takers. I hope I have answered a few question of yours. As usual, looking forward to further comments from your side. Regards Mayur Chandigarh --- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Mayur: > > The intent of your mission is now abundantly clear. > I did not suspect > it in the beginning, thinking it was just another > clueless attempt of > an inexperienced but well meaning youth to attempt > to change the lot > of the Assamese people. Turns out it is another of > those politically > motivated backdoor attempts to demonstrate that > Assam's condition is > its own damn fault, that Assam's people are lazy, > emotionally driven, > ignorant of business practices ( no doubt > desi-style), uneducated in > ways of the modern means of getting rich quick as in > gambling with > other people's money by dealing in derivatives or > even equities in an > environment where transparency is absent, so on and > so forth. > > Now my question is how many people do you think you > have fooled, I > mean other than the large contingent of Assam > Netters who are already > in your corner :-)? > > >It was Assamese people/ Assam. > > **** Does not really matter any more, now that your > intentions are clear. > But I do withdraw the 'second division' that I > awarded earlier :-) on > the matter of "strengths". But in case of the > "weaknesses", I > prefaced my dissection by declaring that it really > does not matter ( > see "Even if it did---"). > > > > > As you are trying to > >restrict the scope of the debate in stead of > enlarging it, > > *** What was your intent? To restrict it or to > expand it? To me both will be > equally devoid of substance. > > > >I don't know where were you during the turbulent > days > >of Assam agitation from 1979 to 1985. > > *** Safely ensconced in my air-conditioned office, > in a developed > country with a rule of law, if you must know :-). > But trust me, > contrary to popular wisdom to the contrary, it does > not, in any way, > shape, or form, dilute or discount anything I may > have in analyzing > these issues. My locale or condition and > deliberations on Assam's > condition are NOT mutually exclusive. > > > > >I am ashamed to say that in an emotional frenzy > devoid > >of an iota of rationality, majority of the Assamese > >people supported (either vociferously or > tacitly)the > >manhandling of a noted Assamese intellectual in > >Guwahati at the hands of the miscreants > masquerading > >probably as AASU members. Or they may be real AASU > >also. This horrendous incident proves whether > majority > >of us are motivated more by ephemeral emotions or > >solid reasons. > > *** But it does not matter where on earth I ( or > anybody else for > that matter) might have been when the above happened > for anyone to > see immediately that your assessment of the > characteristic of the > people of Assam as 'emotional'is absurd. It is an > egregious example > of how so many people from the South Asian > sub-continent make > sweeping judgements about entire groups of people > based on isolated > examples or scanty evidence. > > *** What is even more discouraging is your inability > to reason WHY > these things happen. But I will give you a break > here :-): Tell us, > on second thought, why and how such a sordid event > could take place? > And tell us also, where in India such an act could > not have taken > place and why? > > If you could persuasively address the two, I will > have to re-assess > my own dismissal of your argument on the matter. > > > >But if someone deliberately behaves like an > >ostritch putting its head in sands, I can't help > it. > > > *** I think you are taking on far more > responsibility for the > behavior and attitudes of your fellow men, than > anyone could hold you > responsible for. I know it is a noble gesture, but > quite unnecessary. > Perhaps you ought to concentrate on minding the > quality your own > arguments in the interest of the people of Assam. > After all, if a lot > of people can manage their lives better, it > automatically elevates > the conditions of their society. > > > > >As regards the second important point of sense > of > >terror or tension, it also pertains more to the > state > >than to the people. > > *** It does? My own perception was that the 'state' > is an abstract > notion that is meaningless when you pull the people > out of it. I > realize there are very many Indians whose view of > the 'state' is > little more than the real-estate, the 'maati'. I > have seen it right > here in Assam Net, when some of Assam's best have > argued as if the > land of Kashmir is nothing more than a piece of > 'poitrik-xompotti' ( > an ancestral inheritance) with the 'pota' ( title) > in India's name, > never mind HOW the inhabitants on the ground who > call it home, feel > about India's ownership pretensions about it. Very > similarly for > Assam too. > > But that is not very a thoughtful or intelligent > attitude. > > > >Keeping in view your deep rooted hatred for other > Indians,----- > > *** That is an interesting observation. Where did > you get that > from,the three Rs of Assam Net ? Or was that a > conclusion you derived > with your own observations of my posts in Assam Net > in the few weeks > you have been here? > > Anyway, I would challenge you (and our three > Rusketeers , who level > that charge) > to show anything that I have said, implied or > otherwise demonstrated, > that could back-up your charge. But the truth is > that ONLY those who > are frustrated in their attempts at defending their > political > positions from my assaults, use that charge. It is a > 'kaandi-ron-jika > tactic" :-), even though it is unbecoming, > considering what could > be expected of them. Just like the Bushies in the > USA who slap that > 'deep-rooted hatred of GWB' charge on their fellow > citizens who dare > to question or criticize their leader. > > Having said that, I would not hesitate to admit for > a moment that I > have absolutely no qualms about criticizing and > denouncing Indian > policies and attitudes that have harmed not only > Assam's interests, > but also its own people elsewhere in India. However, > only the > inferentially challenged or the malicious would make > the jump to > equate that to my"--deep rooted hatred for other > Indians-->" > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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