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>But GoI, predictably, has remained paralyzed for ever, unable to
release the grip, while it bleeds."
Suppose you are right. So what do you
do?
Insurgency?
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:28
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Find your CHRISTIAN
home in old Ahom/British Nagaterritories, Tangkhul Muivah.
If possible I would like some details about any special controls being
thrust on NE by GOI which are not thrust upon South or North India.
Umesh
C-da wrote:
"This has been one of the most widely discussed arguments FOR coming to a
negotiated solution with devolution of central controls, so that the local
govts. can be held accountable. But GoI, predictably, has remained paralyzed
for ever, unable to release the grip, while it bleeds."
O' Rajen:
>More the insurgency (or the
impression of insurgency that is to sasy more Xapor Phwsphwsoni >without
actually biting)
I am sure you have heard the 'fokora', "xaap hoiw khwte', bez hoiw'
jaare"? You are giving a fine example of that by taunting the
insurgents.
Such taunting ,incidentally, is not isolated to clueless Assam
Netters,
but is also widespread in the desi media, such as the Sentinel, the AT,
Statesman, Indian Express etc., as well as among 'security analysts' and
'analysts' with Institutes of Conflict Perpetuation. It is not a reaction of
sincere people seeking a resolution of the conflict, but of immature
commentators and analyst-wannabe-s feelings of being ignored, of being
left out of the process.
>The strong rumor is that the
Government money is being split into 60-40 % deal, and people >get their
share without working. Smart Dadas, Politicians, Bureaucrates, the
Militants, the >Military personal - all in the same boat. One hear
stories of govt employee not getting salaries >for 3 years. Don't worry.
Just buy a couple of Maruties whaile waiting for your salary.
*** That is a rumor?
Boy, I tell ya! Some people cannot see what sits on their faces. That
is for sure.
So why does not GoI do something about it, instead of acting like deer
caught in the headlights, staring and frozen, unable to decide what to
do?
This has been one of the most widely discussed arguments FOR coming to
a negotiated solution with devolution of central controls, so that the local
govts. can be held accountable. But GoI, predictably, has remained paralyzed
for ever, unable to release the grip, while it bleeds.
At 3:35 PM -0500 10/20/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
>Where have these funds gone? Into the
pockets of the political and bureaucratic elite of the state, including
the militant elite. The militant elite is no longer outside >the
parameters of the state: it is part of the state, no matter how much they
declaim their independence of it they are sustained by funds that come
from the >Centre to the state.
This
seems to the story of the street. What is left out in the report is the
Indian Military who are also in the game taking a piece of the pie. More
the insurgency (or the impression of insurgency that is to sasy more Xapor
Phwsphwsoni without actually biting) more is the money to the North East
from the Center. The strong rumor is that the Government money is being
split into 60-40 % deal, and people get their share without working.
Smart Dadas, Politicians, Bureaucrates, the Militants, the Military
personal - all in the same boat. One hear stories of govt employee not
getting salaries for 3 years. Don't worry. Just buy a couple of Maruties
whaile waiting for your salary.
So the
moral in the North East is:
Why
Work?
Why we
need Industry?
Why we
need to stop the insurgency, the golden hen, which is feeding all
these people and making it easier to squeeze more out of the GOI. And
the newly rich GOI mother is in a giving mode. All you need to prove is
that you are a minority.
India in
general and Assam in particular is a land which is being controlled by the
minorities today.
I say
Hobo Diok.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: umesh
sharma
To: Bartta
Bistar ; [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Find your CHRISTIAN home in old
Ahom/British Nagaterritories, Tangkhul Muivah.
Very interesting - about corruption in NE!! from your
article below
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=14&theme=&usrsess=1&id=93045
"In other words, an elaborate fabric of lies has been
consistently woven under the façade of planning and development to
garner more Central funds. Where have these funds gone? Into the pockets
of the political and bureaucratic elite of the state, including the
militant elite. The militant elite is no longer outside the parameters
of the state: it is part of the state, no matter how much they declaim
their independence of it they are sustained by funds that come from
the Centre to the state. This is true not just of Nagaland but also of
Manipur. And it has been going on for decades. But let us return to the
question of the number of people. In this horrendous exercise of
deception, in which villagers themselves were involved by inflating the
numbers, hoping, as they told researchers and scholars, for more funds
from the state, for more MLAs who would gift them more schemes and
funds, the Centre cannot escape responsibility.
State, Planning Commission, DoNER must answer. What on earth
has the Planning Commission and its highly qualified members, advisers
and officials in charge of the North-east been doing all these years?
Have they asked questions to the state government or are they just
blindly following the data trotted out to them? The data from the states
in the North-east, as one has found from years of field work, is not
merely inconsistent with the facts, to put it mildly, it is grossly
misleading and inaccurate. "
Bartta Bistar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Naga talks: Assam, Manipur Arunachal to be
involved
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=80364
SUDHI RANJAN
SEN
Posted online: Thursday, October 20, 2005 at 0016
hours IST
NEW DELHI, OCTOBER 19: The centre will
approach Assam, Manipur and Arunachal Pradesh to discuss integration
of Naga-inhabited areas. The move comes after the Naga leadership
agreed to go step by step in reaching a solution. Oscar Fernandes,
who represented the Centre in the recent talks on the issue with NSCN
(I-M) in Bangkok is back after holding five meetings. Involving the
three states was likely to come up when he briefs PM Manmohan Singh on
the talks.
The government feels that the Nagas
agreeing to go step by step, ought to be reciprocated, sources
said, adding the government wants to involve the people and the
political leadership of the three states to get the view of these
states on the Naga issue. It is also likely to reduce growing pressure
on the Naga leadership from cadres to take the process further and
show results. The key point in the 30-point proposal submitted by the
Naga leadership earlier is a special federal relationship proposed
with India, on which the NCSN (I-M) will prepare an unofficial
paper. Though the purpose of this unofficial paper is not
immediately clear, it is understood that the Centre wants the NSCN
(I-M) to spell out the special status it has been demanding. The Nagas
found unacceptable, the earlier offer of autonomy on the lines of J-K.
Naga sources said the special federal relationship is based on the
distinct political and territorial identity of the Nagas. They want
the special relationship sealed through an agreement that cannot be
changed unilaterally by either side. The sources said that they were
willing to share functions and responsibilities with India in such
a way that the interests of both were addressed. The unofficial paper,
it is understood, would be discussed in the next round of talks in
Bangkok in November.
NSCN no to Oscar
planhttp://www.telegraphindia.com/1051020/asp/guwahati/story_5375478.asp
NISHIT
DHOLABHAI
Dimapur, Oct. 19: The NSCN (I-M) today thumbed down Union
minister Oscar Fernandezs suggestion that the Naga impasse could be
ended with an interim solution even as the dialogue for a final
settlement continued. The insurgent groups kilo kilonser (home
minister), Rh. Raising, said Delhi had not even discussed the
possibility of an interim arrangement with his organisation, leave
alone work towards it.It may be one among many formulas for
consideration, but we are looking for a lasting final solution, a
decision on which will be taken by the collective leadership (Isak
Chishi Swu and Th. Muivah), he said.Fernandez, the Union minister of
state for statistics and programme implementation and leader of the
ministerial group negotiating with the NSCN (I-M), said in Kohima
yesterday that an interim solution to the Naga issue was possible, if
agreed to by the outfit. But Raising remained non-committal on
whether his organisation would at all consider such an option if Delhi
raised it at the next round of formal talks.The insurgent leader met
Fernandez away from the prying eyes of the media and declined to
disclose whether the minister mentioned any such proposal.It was a
private chit-chat, nothing for public consumption, he told The
Telegraph. Raising said the Naga peace talks, which have weathered
several storms along the way, were being held on an even keel and both
India and the Nagas must continue to respect one anothers point of
view on key issues. The NSCN (I-M) kilo kilonsers meeting with
Fernandez was ostensibly arranged at the eleventh hour. Just before
leaving a government accommodation for Dimapur airport, the Union
minister received feelers from the insurgent leader to arrange for a
tête-à-tête. His flight to Calcutta was delayed by over an hour,
allowing him the opportunity to oblige Raising.Raising sounded a note
of warning, too. He said the insurgent group was committed to the
peace process, but would not take things lying down if it did not
progress in the right direction. The next round of talks is slated for
December, probably before Christmas. The NSCN (I-M) leader, however,
declined to hazard a guess about any Christmas gift to the
impasse-weary Naga community. Fernandez told the media that the Naga
issue was five decades old, but the UPA government in Delhi had dealt
with it for only nine months. He said the three states, Manipur, Assam
and Arunachal Pradesh, opposed to the campaign for integration of
Naga-inhabited areas of the Northeast were yet to have extensive
discussions with Delhi.
A question of numbers: How many people in Nagaland? by
SANJOY
HAZARIKA
http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=14&theme=&usrsess=1&id=93045
The
2001 census of the state of Nagaland says that it has a population of
19 lakh or 1.9 million. The government there has not yet accepted or
rejected the findings. But the question of how many people actually
live in Nagaland is a major and sensitive issue.
The fact of the
matter, according to senior government officials, researchers and
non-government groups, is that the actual population is not more than
14 lakh or 1.4 million, or five lakh less than the projected figure.
This is a staggering indictment of the census process in the state and
raises fundamental questions about the basis of planning and
governance there. According to researchers who have trekked to remote
villages and hamlets, battling bad weather, poor roads and tough
terrain, even figures given in the 1991 census are vastly
incorrect.
In other words, an elaborate fabric of lies has been
consistently woven under the façade of planning and development to
garner more Central funds. Where have these funds gone? Into the
pockets of the political and bureaucratic elite of the state,
including the militant elite. The militant elite is no longer outside
the parameters of the state: it is part of the state, no matter how
much they declaim their independence of it they are sustained by
funds that come from the Centre to the state. This is true not just of
Nagaland but also of Manipur. And it has been going on for decades.
But let us return to the question of the number of people. In this
horrendous exercise of deception, in which villagers themselves were
involved by inflating the numbers, hoping, as they told researchers
and scholars, for more funds from the state, for more MLAs who would
gift them more schemes and funds, the Centre cannot escape
responsibility.
State, Planning Commission, DoNER must answer. What
on earth has the Planning Commission and its highly qualified members,
advisers and officials in charge of the North-east been doing all
these years? Have they asked questions to the state government or are
they just blindly following the data trotted out to them? The data
from the states in the North-east, as one has found from years of
field work, is not merely inconsistent with the facts, to put it
mildly, it is grossly misleading and inaccurate.
What about the
ministry of development for the North-east, which is supposed to be
the nodal development and funds accruer (thanks to the 10 per cent
allocation that each ministry, barring just two or three, is supposed
to slice out of its annual budget and hand over to DoNER unless it has
its own projects in the region where it apportions the money)? Has it
also asked questions of the government in Nagaland or is it happy
merely to let things be and not ruffle feathers. How can development
take place on the basis of two sets of population figures? Forget
about planning for five years or developing a vision plan down the
road: how can any planning take place for even one year if the facts
are so skewed?
Take the example of Jami village in Mokokchung
district: it returned 197 households in the 1991, repeat 1991, census.
Researchers who went there a few weeks ago counted 27, repeat 27,
households. These questions must be faced. The state government of
chief minister Neiphiu Rio needs to give some straight answers. The
Governor, Shyamal Dutta, one of the most upright leaders of the police
before his retirement, should gently nudge the state government to the
straight and narrow path. The Planning Commission, especially the
member in charge of the North-east, BS Yuganthar, another respected
figure in the bureaucracy, and his team have some fact-finding and
soul-searching to do. So does the Ministry of DoNER.
How could
something so obvious have gone wrong so blatantly? Where are the state
and the Centres checks and balances? These are issues of public
interest and lie in the public domain. The right to information also
has come into place and it is a good thing that the Nagaland
government has appointed a committee, for the time being, to oversee
the initial stages. Answers can be sought through the RTI and the
courts if the responses are dissatisfactory.
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