>I NEVER suggested that India does not BRIBE Assam. It has been doing
just that.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:02
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Study on Assam
-Centre for Policy Alternatives--Addedum
At 10:13 AM -0600 11/3/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
***
You are taking things personally.
I
am not. It is NOT about YOU. Nor is it about me.
**** Okkkay! I believe you ( hint, hint :-))! You just threw me off with
those declarations about not believing ME, not trusting ME and stuff like
that, as if
" moi twmar paani-khowa pukhurit bih dhalisilw" .
It is about your false ideology with the belief that rest of
the NE States progress is due to GOI bribing these states.
You failed to explain why the GOI does not want to bribe Assam
which is also a state in the NE
*** Rajen, I don't understand why you keep badgering me for getting into
things that makes you angry later.
But since you insists, here it is:
I NEVER suggested that India does not BRIBE Assam. It has been doing just
that.
Where do you think all the monies that Dilli does send to Assam? Is it
going for public health-care improvements? Is it improving primary schooling?
Is it showing up in infrastructure development? Is it reducing infant
mortality?
But your trump card, the ace of your argument here is that the other NE
states are using it effectively to show better stats. while Assam is not. And
why is that?
Because it is the Assamese people's own damn fault--that they are
crooks, incompetents and lazy-ass bums. Right? That is your big argument
isn't it ? Surely you told us that any number of times.
And you know what? I can offer my own opinion of your opinion here, but
knowing how you have been reacting of late, I would just as soon not. So why
don't you take a deep breath and see if you can get to the bottom of it by
yourself. Surely you heard explanations of it here before, any number of
times.
Finally, the improved stats on the OTHER NE states on the issues you
cite, I have no reason to doubt or question their validity. But WHAT do
those stats. really MEAN?
* Do you know
what the BASE-LINE used for computing those gains is?
* Are they
gains, the 'delta', over a pan-Indian benchmark, or is it
a delta over
its own baseline of a certain date?
* If it is the
latter for example, do you not realize that a
society where
infant mortality used to be very high, a slight
reduction in number could
register as a very high percentage gain.
But does it
give us a useful picture that we could use to compare
and judge its
real value?
* There are
other issues. I am no statistician to delve into these.
But the issue
is WHAT do these numbers REALLY MEAN?
If you don't know the answers above, how could you put your faith behind
the stats. to judge the relative efficacy of the bribery between Assam and the
other NE states to declare
>Then we can really declare that the
people of Assam are the worst in the entire North East >region, worst then
Nagaland, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Arunachal Pradesh etc. ?
Not that it would hurt my feelings if it indeed is so. But if you don't
know the meaning of the stats. how could you make the judgement you
did.
You tell us.
c
And
since you did not, you have simply exposed the
hollowness of your false ideaology, but even then decided not to
admit that your ideaology was and the Report was
right.
Once we come to that position, then we find there is no point
in discussing with you who is trying to pose as the spokesman of ULFA or PCG
and bulley e people to accept wrong ideology applying word
skills of the English language.
Bye
Bye, there are better ways of wasting time.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ;
[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Study on Assam -Centre for
Policy Alternatives--Addedum
Rajen:
Important things first:
>Let us not proceed any
further. I donot have time to indulge in these endless and meaningless
>dabates. Let us agree that I donot trust you, I donot understand
and and I dnot believe you. >Your words sounds too strange to me
specially when you try to speak for the ULFA or the PCG.
*** You are taking things personally. It is NOT about YOU. Nor
is it about me. I thought you understood the difference long ago. And if I
remember correctly, you also affirmed that you do not take these things
personally.
But on a lighter note:
*** About your NOT trusting me: That is YOUR prerogative. It
has always been so. You don't need my permission for that. Why do I need
to agree to that? And do you really think I will sign on the dotted line
giving you the freedom not to trust me, so that you can go about telling
people that you don't trust Chandan, because look, right here, he has
signed this release giving me all the rights not to ? I maybe a fool
Rajen, but not stupid. I don't know!
*** Don't feel bad that you don't understand me. I am sure you
are not alone on that. But on the good side, it is really a self-created
problem. An attitudinal one. If you want to understand it, you will get it
instantly.
>Looks like we will have
use plain English:
Are you implying that my English is too hard to comprehend? If
so, why don't you just say so? I can write in Oxomiya too you know? Just
takes it longer. And my command of the language has become somewhat
rusty.
But it does hurt to hear that you don't believe me. Only
mitigating factor here is that I am not sure I said anything that requires
BELIEVING or even TRUSTing. Nobody has to take my word for anything. I
have explained it so many times, I am getting to be like a broken
record. So I am hoping that you said that out of frustration, out of
exasperation. It is like telling someone you love ( no, no, I am not
suggesting you have to LOVE me) that you don't in the heat of an argument
or a fight. Anyway, if that is your final decision, I will have to remain
condemned to endure it. My loss. What else can I say?
>You also may sim,ilar
feelings towards me, I don't know.
*** Perish the thought. I have no such need or intent. I trust
you. I believe you. I even understand you. Only problem is that some of
your arguments are, shall we say, untenable? And many of your opinions and
verdicts are kind of poorly deliberated--particularly re: Assam, ULFA,
Indian governance etc. The uncharitable might actually characterize some
of them with the k-j phrase, if you know what I mean.
>Let us not proceed any
further.
*** Come now Rajen. Again you are dumping on me by insinuating
that it is my fault, that I am dragging you into saying and proposing
things that you are having trouble defending. Isn't that the real problem
here?
I do try to share my fellow men's burdens, when I can.
But I can bear only so much Rajen. You know I am a little fella, my back
is not all that strong. And if that is not bad enough, I am old and
bald too. Kiman aaru aanor bwza korhiam he', tumiei kwaswn?
>I think it is
better we simply agree that we donot and never will agree. Let us live and
let live.
*** I can read your exasperation again Rajen. But I never
promised you ( or anyone else) that 'rose garden, along with the
sunshine', remember? And as much as I feel flattered for seeking it, you
really don't need my permission to disagree. Seriously!Trust me (
oops--bad choice of words here perhaps?), I won't write a cement shoes or
knee-cap removal contract on you with ULFA hit-squads. I know I am
baaad, but not that bad!
Finally, WHY do you give me these opportunities to lead into
your commentaries like this Rajen? You know I am a 'bih-guti'(
literally 'poison-seed'), and cannot resist pulling the chimes of
those with extra-short fuses. But you HAVE to keep doing that, don't you?
You need to check that urge for getting frustrated so easily. There is
more to life than Assam Net debates.
You take care now. And don't make me send Tilok Daktor
after you. That is a definite threat! If you don't believe me, just ask
our lovable 'seraa-ppagol' Dr. Brain Deka. See what Tilok Daktor has
done to him? That will be REALLY bad!
c :-)
At 11:27 PM -0600 11/2/05, Barua25 wrote:
Looks
like we will have use plain English:
(1) I said that people of
Assam must be worse than the rest of the states in NE because they
are getting more from GOI and are progressing more in all aspects of the
report: Health, Income, reducing infact morality, and
all.
(2) You basically replied
that I was not trying to analyse the report and understand the issue why
the rests of the NE states seems to be advancing compared to
Assam (this also implies that you actually donot believe the report).
You explained that said it was because it was an integral part of the
grand Indian scheme to keep the NE discombobulated and fractured. by
bribing, the quintessentially Indian virtue.
(3) Then I asked you, if
that was so, what was wrong with Assam? Why Assam has been left out by
GOI from receiving some bribe? Why the GOI does not want to bribe Assam
which is also a state in the NE? Because if Assam is left out, you
theory "the GOI is it was an integral part of the grand Indian
scheme to keep the NE discombobulated and fractured. by
bribing the quintessentially Indian virtue." must be
wrong.
And you did not answer and
was trying to slip.
Whatever it was, you failed
to explain why GOI is not bribing Assam so that Assam can also have a
false increase of per capita income?
Chandan:
Let us not proceed any
further. I donot have time to indulge in these endless and meaningless
dabates. Let us agree that I donot trust you, I donot understand
and and I dnot believe you. Your words sounds too strange to me
specially when you try to speak for the ULFA or the
PCG.
You also may sim,ilar
feelings towards me, I don't know.
I think it is better
we simply agree that we donot and never will agree. Let us live and let
live.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Rajen
Barua ; [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 9:50
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Study on Assam -Centre
for Policy Alternatives--Addedum
At 5:44 PM -0600 11/2/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
>It is an integral part of the
grand Indian scheme to keep the NE discombobulated and fractured. By
bribing, the quintessentially Indian
virtue
The million dollar
question is, why the GOI decided to bribe everbody else in the NE
and not Assam.
**** That does not answer the question I raised. HOW
exactly do you see Nagaland or Arunachal or Meghalaya or Mizoram
generating what raises their per capita productivity? It is a pretty
simple thing to analyze you know?
Also there is a pretty darn simple way to understand why
Assam's per capita number is low compared to the rest of the NE
states. But I won't give you the answer. Let us see if you are able to
put your thinking cap on and figure that out all by
yourself.
You live with your theory
(whatever that is) and we live with ours.
*** That is your choice. I don't live with theories. I try
to understand what these stats. mean. I don't take them at face value.
I have an ability to reason and I use it.
I am not endowed with any more ability or intellect than
Rajen Barua is. But the difference lies in one's willingness to USE
what we are endowed with.
>How about that live and let live
policy?
