>While this is true, it is still difficult to
uphold some kinds of conversion like >in forcible conversions
or by promising or enticing the unwary with cash or other
things >in this earth, or 79 virgins in heaven.
*** I remain uneducated about the mechanisms of "FORCED
conversion" and how it can stick. I know I sought explanations
from the many proponents of banning of conversions, but no one has
been able to offer any explanation.
Would that NOT imply there is NO explanation? That it is a
fabricated concept?
*** I find the the 79 virgins as a lure to convert Hindus quite
interesting. Is it for a fact? Or is it another creation of Hindu
mythology?
*** Promises of cash and other enticements, if that powerful,
more powerful than one's faith, then something must be seriously wrong
with that faith. Would that be a far fetched conclusion?
On the other hand, if the abandoned faith is shaky or
non-existent, other than in name, inherited by birth; then it could
easily be given up for something that appears more useful. If it is
so, how come Hindu proponents do not try to do something effective to
shore up the shaky faith of the would be converts? Is it too much
trouble, or is it an impossible task? Or perhaps something else?
At 11:21 PM -0500 4/9/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>The Hindus know that in the Conversion game, they will loose >because they have nothing to show to these poor Muslims.That is >sad but true.
IMHO, this is NOT a win/lose game. Hindus are NOT in the conversion game because most Hindus believe that one has to be born a Hindu. They really don't care if someone converts to Hinduism or not. My understanding is that Hinduism is quite restrictive in that sense.
>because they have nothing to show to these poor Muslims.
And what would you like Hinduism to show or promise new converts? It will be interesting to find out what one "gets" by converting.
>So Freedom of Religion without Freedom for Conversion does not >make any sense.
While this is true, it is still difficult to uphold some kinds of conversion like in forcible conversions or by promising or enticing the unwary with cash or other things in this earth, or 79 virgins in heaven.
About Freedom of Religion, let us extend this a bit:
What if I think "my religion" requires me to advocate against gay marriages or abortion. Will any restriction placed on my practice curtail my Freeddom of Religion?
Just curious.
--Ram
On 4/9/06, Barua25 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It (the Freedom to Convert) also goes for the benefits of the Hindus. They can convert thousands or millions of poor Muslims in every city in India, if they want to covert. The only reason the Hindus oppose Conversion, in my mind, is that the Hindus are not interested to convert these poor Muslims in India to Hinduism and serve them, because they know that these Muslims are enjoying a better life of equality being Muslim than being a Hindu. The Hindus know that in the Conversion game, they will loose because they have nothing to show to these poor Muslims.That is sad but true.RB
----- Original Message -----From: Barua25To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected]Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 9:37 PMSubject: Re: [Assam] IE: Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
Right to Freedom of Religion is intricately connected to conversion. For me to change my religion, I must be influenced by that religion and I will need somebody to formally accept me in that religion. >From another angle that can be viewed as conversion. So Freedom of Religion without Freedom for Conversion does not make any sense.RB
----- Original Message -----From: umesh sharmaTo: [email protected]Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 2:30 PMSubject: [Assam] IE: Anti-conversion law in Rajasthan?
Please note that Supreme Court in India clarifiied last year that there is definitely Right to Freedom of Religion but there is no Right to convert others.The case had been filed by Christian missionaries who want to convert members of other faiths - mostky Hindus but also Muslims (in kashmir etc) , Sikhs (in Punjab, Chhatisgarh etc) and Buddhists . The most famous Sikh to convert to Christianity -as per reports - was the Sikh King - Dalip Singh who then settled in London- while under British rule.http://www.indianexpress.com/story/2042.html
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